[Question for the community] Do we want exactly the same game?

This Warcraft III: Reforged was something that as others I was waiting for a long long time and based on the release date I think that we are on good time to really give the developers a helpfully feedback, so I wan to ask the community what we really want, the same exactly game? or an evolution of it?

What about the campaign?
The campaign was awesome on its time but nowadays there are more things, in terms of lore there are really more details, more things to tell and represent. In terms of game components there are lot of progress here just see starcraft 2 where for example we have additional quests that can give you rewards for next quests

What about the competitive game?
new units?, new spells?, new maps? warcraft III is really fun competitively but maybe this is the time to get a fresh and new environment to explore, I am not a pro player but, what do you thing pro players? do you want play the same competitive game? using the same strategies as ever and the same modality as ever? or you want some fresh a new environment where you can have fun developing new ways to play? or none :slight_smile:

What about unit selection limits?
This maybe goes into the competitive discussion but there a lot people that wants to change it and also a lot that do not. So what can we do here? maybe have different modes so the people can queue to what they like?

What about new models?
What about new game modes?
Co-op, archon



For me Warcraft III: “Reforged” does not sound like only as a remaster (something that is a big job), Reforged sound like a very improved game.

What do you think guys?

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Yes, I do want the exact same game by your standards. New modes would be great, I’d love to see co-op campaign etc in the game. I’d love to have more options for UI and hotkeys. Skins would be cool. Allowing unit selection limit changes for custom games and campaign would be cool. Models are obviously being changed. Otherwise I want it to be the same game. Balance changes aside of course.

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NO

I dont want the same game that ive been playing for last 15 years.

I want total redesign with new units and abilities.

If this game is just about new graphics and minor balance changes, then Iam not buying it for sure.

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Definitely want an improved game. I have my Classic WC3 if I want to play that, and I still do play it. In my opinion this should more to the side of “remake” than “remaster”, as in keep the core elements same, but improve the everything else up to date.

Campaign - update to fit the modern lore and retcons.
Competitive - well, hard to say, since I’m not really pro player in that sense, but a few units and spells here and there wouldn’t hurt. Definitive yes to new maps.
Selection limit - Edit: You know what, just remove all limits
New Models - yes, please. Collectible skins and model variations for all units would be awesome.
New Modes - I’m not saying no, though I’m not sure what is meant by this.

EDIT:
If by game modes people are referring to co-op campaigns for example, then absolutely yes vote from here.

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If it’s purpose is to be a modern replica of the old Warcraft 3, then I’ll get boring very quickly. I might play campaign and few multi-player games and I’ll might be gone already.

I already played Warcraft 3 hundreds of time when I was still a kid. There is a reason why I haven’t played the game for years. I hope to see new game-modes and hopefully some new factions, units, races or whatever that can bring some exciting new gameplay to this decade old game.

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Personally I want to see alterations on the story of WC3, not big retcons, just enough to make it align better with all the new lore that has come from all the new material.

The gameplay itself I want to keep the same. Rebalance some units, tweak some abilities but I do not want the Horde to play like the Scourge. If they add new units all together though that would be awesome! I feel that would be expansion material not main game stuff.

New gamemodes would also be awesome like the co-op maps that are in Starcraft 2, it’d be really cool to pick up unique hero units like a specially made Thrall or Gul’dan or other Warcraft iconic characters and lead them on short missions with a friend.

We’ll see what happens but I am super excited for it with everything we’ve seen so far!

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Yes, i want the same warcraft 3 just looking better.

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I want it to be expanded on and improved with more to the campaign like starcraft 2

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I want it to be one or the other, not both.
If they want to make WC4, they should make WC4.
If they’ve decided on a remake, it should be a bloody remake, not a “remake-except-for-the-good-bits”

Campaign: I believe the old campaign is something with more to teach than any other Blizzard has done since. That includes SC2. Make changes if you feel it would truly improve the experience, but be sure you’ve actually thought them through properly before you do.

Competitive Game: Not a competitive player, so I can’t speak for them, but I can speak as someone who wasn’t fond of the constant overhauls in SC2; again, make changes if you feel they are a significant upgrade, but if you’re not sure, keep things as they are, because we actually know the old version worked.

Selection limits: Honestly? I’m not sure. I do remember them being annoying at times, but at the same time, I’m also worried that simply removing them could incentivice people to just A-move… could be worth testing, at least.

Models: Out of the ones we’ve seen, I’m very impressed with the Orcs and Undead, less so with the Humans(Note: Humans as a race, not as a faction - this is why they should’ve called the faction “Alliance”, folks :p).
Without context they look impressive enough, sure, but they don’t really come off as WC3 humans; they’re too shiny, too proud, and not quite human enough, especially Uther; his old brown leathery look tied really nicely into his humility and worldliness, whereas the new model just makes him look like any other old goof in shining armour.
Footmen are pretty bad too; their usual role within the narrative is to be everymen trying their best to stand up against a world far beyond their meager strength and usually dying horribly en-masse for their efforts; their new models make them look just plain too heroic to do that job.

Game Modes: Don’t care much; when I want interesting game modes, I’ve got custom :slight_smile:

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For me it’s quite the opposite.

You want new units, abilities, races and game modes? The limitless possibilities with the new world editor are waiting for you to make yourself everything you ever wanted.

Graphical and QoL improvements to make the game more fresh and up-to-date with modern standards are nice, but keep the base gameplay unchanged. There’s a reason why you’ve been playing this game for 15 years. WC3 is one of the best RTS games ever made. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.

Btw adding any unnecessary changes to the game would only postpone its release date even further.

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Im more than happy with the same game. I love Warcraft 3 with all my heart, we can do new things with the world editor and im sure they will add more content in the furute.

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For right now from Warcraft III Reforged I do want 99% the same game. The reason I say that is because Warcraft III is my favorite game of all time, arguably the greatest RTS game of all time and having this chance to relive that legendary game in a modern format is too good to be true.

I think there are many improvements that can be made in that 1% that’s different. Better online connection, ping, matchmaking, custom game lists, all could be improved without actually changing the game.

If they can recreate Warcraft III’s magic in Reforged and learn from what makes it so special then in the future perhaps the idea of a new Warcraft IV that could actually deliver new units, gameplay, story, could be realized and do Warcraft III justice as a successor.

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I want the king of Custom Maps back. I’m of course talking about all the versions of Footmen Frenzy.

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So according to the website there will be hundreds of balance changes to units, buildings and heroes to bring it to the modern age, I’m very interested in this and I hope the devs keep the community in the loop as they have for the past year (great job on that btw devs). With that said implementing hundreds of balance changes will make or break the game in my humble opinion, I hope they do so in small batches so we can test them on the ptr.

I would like to see some new models, I have always wanted to play the Jaina model instead of the old man on the horse archmage on Bnet.

Im not really down with new units and spells , they need to work on balancing the current ones for now, I’m also not in favor of unlimited unit selection because I want the game to be as close to the original as possible, getting the original pathing will be a challenge as well, but if reforged later on gets a full on expansion years down the line , then these options are a must.

Co-op and archon mode sounds fantastic , more options for the casual gamers is always a good thing, I stopped playing sc2 for a long time now (since HOTS) but the only reason why I have it installed is for co-op and archon mode with friends. Hell I even purchased a few commanders so if it works for sc2 I believe it should work for warcraft.

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“What about unit selection limits?
This maybe goes into the competitive discussion but there a lot people that wants to change it and also a lot that do not. So what can we do here? maybe have different modes so the people can queue to what they like?”

If they casualize the game by removing unit selection limit, by improving the path finding or doing anything else that reduces the mechanical skill level required to play the game I will refuse to buy it. But they already said remaster will be compatible with people playing the original so that is very unlikely to happen.

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i want the excact same game only graphically updated. including the old cheat codes still working for campaign.

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Since the original poster didn’t make clear what would make Reforged the same or a different game, I will just outline my thoughts on the topics raised, and you will have to judge if that would constitute a new game.

Campaign: I like the story as is. I did not like the retcons done during WoW, and in fact stopped playing that game because of them. That being said, I wouldn’t mind some alterations to the story, just because I know it by heart already. It’s probably not a selling point either way though.
Some meaningful changes for me would be an additional difficulty setting, being harder than before, or some achievements which in effect would serve the same purpose. I quite enjoy the Founding of Durotar in particular, so I would love to see that campaign expanded or maybe redone to work in one mission with more natural transitions between zones.

Competitive play: I really don’t think any new additions are needed. The last few patches have shaken up the meta quite a bit, and they contained many changes I had wished for for years. I would say the game is far from perfectly balanced still, so I expect more regular patches until or once Reforged releases, and they should keep the meta fresh for a while. Also, I have always enjoyed playing goofy off-beat strategies just for the fun, so imo the meta is as stale as you want it to be.
The most likely and viable addition I could see is more Tavern heroes. Those have been the only additions to the unit pool outside the RoC and TfT so far, and everything else would show some favouritism for a race and would probably not make the game more balanced at all.

Unit Selection Limit: This is the one thing I would love to have changed. Honestly, after having played SC2, going back to WC3 outside of fun maps is rather jarring. Unfortunately, compatibility with the classic game will probably be a two-sided blade here. Cool though the idea is, it would be pretty unfair to give one set of players a superior interface compared to the rest in the same competition, and I highly doubt that the UI of the classic version can be brought up-to-date.
MAYBE this sort of thing could be enabled in a separate competitive mode or be exclusive to custom games.
This would be an actual selling point for me.

New Models: I don’t like them. At all. I have written an in-depth post about this in another thread dedicated to that topic, but the long and short of it is: The new graphic design completely wrecks all of the charm and elegance of the original and replaces it with an overdesigned mess. I will gladly use the option to play with classic graphics. I might note here that I also only played SC2 on the lowest graphics setting for similar reasons.

New Game Modes: Co-op for the old campaign, or maybe even an all-new co-op campaign would be nice, but not necessary. If the game will be compatible with old custom maps, and/or if the new editor will attract even remotely as many talented people as the old one, then there is nothing to worry about. The modding community has been releasing their own co-op versions of the original’s campaign in the last few months, and there is a reason why entire genres were spawned by the WC3 custom game scene.
As long as I can smoothly play all the excellent mobas (many of which I prefer over DotA btw), tower defences, RPGs, custom campaigns, etc. there will be nothing to worry about in this regard.

The one completely new thing I would love to see is Linux support. It has been a hassle to get the classic game to run under Linux, and every patch has been a small catastrophe in that regard. The same is sadly true for Blizzard’s other games, so I hope that they show some love to the community in this regard.
However, I fear using the launcher for all games has probably made it much more difficult for one game to support an OS without all others also doing so.

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Honestly mostly I would want to have an improved campaign like full Demo Campaign, Thrall keeping experiance from Demo to Orc campaign, Story and places are corrected for actual lore.

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Well then what are you doing here? You’re asking for Warcraft 4. This is the Warcraft 3 Reforged forum.

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Well, it is a remake, not just a remaster, after all, so some changes are bound to be there.

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