Too many new players are being turned off by the poor art style of Reforged graphics when they try Warcraft 3 for the first time. The new art style just makes playing the game harder to enjoy.
Please make Classic SD or Classic HD the default way of seeing the game upon first boot up for all new Warcraft 3 users. The only other option is to re-do the Reforged graphics in a way that is more faithful to the original, but realistically that won’t be a thing.
Thank you.
It’s time to just let people decide what they want to do for themselves.
New players don’t care about faithfulness, they’re new players and their vision isn’t affected by rose tinted glasses.
There’s nothing particularly wrong with the Reforged graphics to someone who isn’t very familiar with the game from 20 years ago. The modernized graphics are supposed to be a selling point and Blizzard isn’t going to change the default because of the people who are already playing and already know they can change it. The Reforged models are certainly different, but I don’t agree with your assertion that they are “unfaithful.” Furthermore, the game makes very clear that the classic visuals as well as the new classic HD options are both available and players should know before they even launch the game that these options are available.
You’re also asserting “too many new players are being turned off,” but you provide no evidence of this. I don’t know any one person who didn’t play the game back in the day who thinks the Reforged graphics are bad. They wouldn’t know how “faithful” it is either, because they didn’t play it back then.
TLDR; The graphics, if anything have the LEAST to do with the game’s problems out of anything.
Changing the default doesn’t mean people can’t decide.
Got some real strong, “Oh yeah? List everyone who has this opinion” vibe to it, but here’s an example:
In it, he describes the graphics as busy, and even gets in the way of playing the game because of the way Reforged draws fog. This player has clear issues identifying units and buildings because of the granular detail that doesn’t prioritize clarity and playability.
You could say, “well that’s just one guy,” but then that’s disingenuous. A lot of people would have similar problems, and people to this day associate Reforged with a low quality presentation.
Reading this, I realize you’re trolling.
Make Classic SD/HD default, Blizzard!
Yep, he is trolling as usual
There’s no reason to change the default unless you’re a veteran user that is used to the Classic graphics. It’s called Warcraft III Reforged, not Warcraft III Classic, so of course they want to show what makes it updated/different from the original release.
Pretty funny thing to say, I guess it’s true in a way, but I wouldn’t call that a bad thing.
Sorry you feel that way, but that’s not what I’m saying. You use “weasel words-” vague words like “too many” that can’t be quantified and are subjective- what’s too many to one person is not to another. If you are going to make a generalization about the entire potential player population, you should be supporting that generalization with things (like the video you linked) from the get-go. Otherwise, it looks more like it’s just your opinion but you’re trying to represent unknown, and otherwise potentially nonexistent, people with your comment.
You could say, “well that’s just one guy,” but then that’s disingenuous.
whatever else you want to call it, it IS just one guy. And I’m sure there are others. But there are also people who don’t have a problem with it, and I disagree with the notion that the reforged graphics actually make any new player quit the game. Emphasis on new player, not veteran.
Having opinions you don’t agree with doesn’t make someone a troll. I truly and faithfully hold my opinions, I’m not here just to go around screaming “I DISAGREE” on every thread.
People throw around “trolling” all the time and don’t even really understand what it means.
Also, if this quote is how you came to the conclusion I’m “trolling,” you clearly didn’t read it correctly: “I don’t know one person who DIDN’T (emphasis: DIDN’T) play the game back in the day…”
Nope, he’s not, and never is. Disagreeing != trolling. Meanwhile, you troll all the time by making personal attacks towards others and making obvious bait posts.
Trolling is not simply disagreeing, the way you people seem to think it is. It’s an intentional act of trying to bait people into fights etc. I don’t want to do that. Sorry if my opinion offends you, but when someone proposes something silly like this, of course I’m going to call it out for what it is- silly. There’s no need or reason to change the default- it is easily changeable in the options and given that these are advertised features, anyone who loads the game up and doesn’t like it should already know they can change it.
These forums are so cool sometimes, if anyone doesn’t agree your opinion, they’re trolling. People can’t accept that not everyone thinks the exact same thing as them on every issue.
Personally, I’ve been useing the Reforged graphics since day one and have not really had a problem with it. I don’t have problems identifying units in fog or any of the other comments that youtube video makes, which come across to me as nitpicky at best. Since 2.0 I do use the Classic HD spell effects as they’re more obvious and still look good, but that doesn’t mean I was having difficulty before.
I respect your opinion on this issue, Sharp, but given it’s trivially easy to just change it if you don’t like it and it’s a clearly advertised feature, I don’t think any change is necessary here. Hopefully you can see here I’m arguing in good faith and not just taking the opposite position for “teh lulz.”
You don’t choose graphics for new players.
If there’s a better choice, always prompt user to customize graphic settings on the first start.
Option 1: I’m a fan of classic Warcraft. (Classic HD)
Option 2: I want to use high definition graphic (Reforged)
Also blizzard team should open arms for community creat content.
For example, a fan made Classic HD-er texture pack. Because there are some awesome AI model out there, they do better job than the current AI upscaled texture. So why not promote fan to make it ?
And there’s some model pack like Vision mod for reforged. Should promote these contents to more player. I understand that blizzard don’t want to invest gold into modeling now. It’s time for community make contribution.
You know what, I think this is an entirely reasonable approach. Thanks for being the voice of reason here. If there is debate over this, then the best way to solve this problem is to simply ask the user what they want.
“When I say there aren’t people that think Reforged graphics are bad, it’s true and valid. But when you say the opposite, proof is required”
When you make claims, you are expected to be able to back them up. I wasn’t the one making the claims, therefore the burden of proof is not on me.
But I think it’s largely irrelevant as someone came in with a far better proposal than yours anyway.
God it’s gold that you drop this when your entire argument is “Well, I don’t find Reforged graphics bad, so they’re not,” when the entire swaths of discourse surround Reforged questionable-at-best art direction. You should consider other people’s opinions other than your own for a change. 
But then again, I spotted you in a different thread responding to someone’s tech problem with, “no you’re not, you’re not having tech problems,” so maybe I’m trying to convince someone that the sky is blue when they insist it’s purple.
It’s not gold. I gave an opinion- not a statement of fact. I didn’t claim to represent anyone else like you did.
The fact that all you have is cop-outs shows how weak your argument actually is.
Like I said- frankly, neither your opinion nor mine matters now, as frankly an objectively better solution has been presented than either changing the default or keeping the status quo
This is so hilariously ridiculous that there’s no words for it.
There are a lot of people who go around assuming a problem they ran into must be a bug in the game when it’s really an environmental problem on their own end. It’s so easy to just blame Blizzard because why not, that they refuse to accept any possibility there could be another reason. So no, your comparison is ridiculous, it is nothing like insisting the sky is a different color.
Like right now, we have someone insisting they must be experiencing a bug we already know was fixed several months ago. It got fixed, many people who were complaining about it said it was fixed, and the discussion entirely went away. Then this person describes a situation that matches an entirely different issue with a known solution, but claims it must be the bug from before (because reasons?). I in full good faith explain to them the likely solution to the problem, they dismiss it without trying it, insisting it MUST be the old bug because they say so, and refuse to accept any solution other than, presumably, Blizzard announcing a patch with a fix. THAT is more like saying the sky is purple when it obviously isn’t.
But anyway, please do continue arguing with me about nonsense when we have a very good proposal from a friendly Chinese player that makes a lot of sense about the original topic. Please do continue twisting words to fit your own narrative.