I want to play with people on the same skill level and go up in the ranks like it used to be.
Also has the “Leave” option been addressed if the game is certain to be over? Do we have a report button for team killing or early leavers?
Bliz will never accept reports for leavers. There are simply too many variables/reasons that people leave games.
As for team killers, historically Bliz has never done much about them. It’s likely that it’s not considered actionable since there’s nothing on the server side that Bliz can look at to make the determination. And, they aren’t going put resources into watching every replay ever sent in.
Team killing is gameplay sabotage and you can report that (But it’s an automated system so they need to be consistently reported by others too). Leaving is not reportable. It is exteremly common and generally understood that players will leave when a game becomes impossible or close to it. I do think they should punish immediate leaves / leaving within like 30 seconds as this is usually due to someone not liking who they got partnered with on the loading screen or nerd rage about their bad build order. Beyond that though, punishing leavers for a game like this isn’t realistic, especially without the ability of a team to agree to give up (i.e. a surrender option).
As for MMR, well 1v1 was and is fine. 2v2 is by far the worst due to a defect in the matching that doesn’t balance the average MMR of the two teams, meaning it’s nearly always two higher MMRs vs two lower MMRs. I have ranted and posted bug reports about this as well, because it sets up weaker players to fail- once you lose a few games it becomes nearly impossible to win even if you get better because the matches become stacked against you.
It is not automated. As with all other report systems, if it was, it would be exploited against both the guilty and innocent alike. The only publically known exception is certain chat violations.
And as I said, without back end data/metrics/logging/etc there’s nothing that captures the behavior. And Bliz doesn’t use players’ word as a basis for account actions.
Even if it is something that Bliz wouldn’t approve of, there’s no way to enforce it, not without droves of GMs to sit and watch replays all day.
It is automated. check the patch notes. And that’s why it requires many reports from many people, to limit the ability of just one or a few people to conspire to punish someone they don’t like. And it’s also why few if any people actually get punished by it.
Also, while it isn’t really for this automated system (again, read the patch notes- it is automated, because Bliz can’t be bothered to actually moderate the game), in other games like Overwatch, player context provided by the text box you can enter comments into is considered (alongside the actual available evidence i.e. chat logs). You’re not taking a player’s word alone, but rather in connection with the metrics and logged chat etc.
As far as war3 the game does collect metrics, otherwise we wouldn’t have player profiles with both replay and data records of our past matches.
Any even half competently done release in the last decade or two collects all kinds of anonymous player data because this data helps them find bugs and determine how exactly people are using the features of the software.
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The application of any account action is done by a human. There are exceptions when it comes to chat, as I said.
For teamkilling, no one is as, again, because there’s nothing for Bliz to use to enforce it. Again, Bliz will never use players’ word as the basis of an action.
End of story. Like last time, consider who you might be talking to. I would know.
I repeat: Warcraft III’s (specifically) reporting system IS automated. Because Blizzard themselves said this, you’re going to have to provide evidence of humans handling a player report. Heck, I’d like you to provide evidence of anyone getting suspended or banned from the game for any amount of time since the reporting system was updated.
T hat doesn’t necessarily mean no report has ever been reviewed by a person, because I’m sure any action by an automated system would be challenged in customer support. But since your words run contrary to the official word from Blizzzard regarding this game, you need to provide the evidence.
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Blizzard uses the player’s word all the time. Just not by itself. Please don’lt say "end of story, because, you are in fact wrong. The text box when you go to report a player in games (other than Warcraft III, again) isn’t there just for funsies.
Especially when the report is over inappropriate behavior in chat, player’s words are absolutely necessary lol, they’re the whole basis of the problem.
I have had forum acitons reversed based on my word and the second GM’s review of the situation. If my word wasn’t considered, there’s no chance of any forum action being reversed lol.
And before you retort with something about “he said she said” Yes, I know. Like I said. the word of a player isn’t used by itself but it can be used as a secondary factor in conjunction with the avialable evidence. And most companies do consider this. Not just Blizzard. I happen to know as I have worked in the industry (But not for Blizzard before anyone comes in here and accuses me of working for them, again…)
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Repeat it until you’re blue in the face. For the final time, other than some chat violations, all penalties are applied by a human.
But like always, you know more than everyone else in any topic. Even neurophysiology it seems.
And how would I, or anyone on the outside, be able to do that? I do have direct access to Bliz support and have for 8 years. I know policies, I know procedures. But if you think they’d let any of us access customer accounts, or divulge other customers’ records… that’s a pretty lame redirect, Captain.
That’s simply not correct, Captain. They never use customer word in any disciplinary situation. They only use what they can confirm on their back end.
I’m sorry. You’re misimformed. There’s nothing more.
Evidence. You need EVIDENCE. Blizzard says otherwise. So PROVE IT.
This isn’t about my knowledge. It’s about words Blizzard wrote in publicly available patch notes.
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Well that’s just hilarious, because you’re basically saying that you work for Blizzard, which is funny because everyone here accuses me of that practically every day.
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I’m not about to breach my NDA with Bliz by copying and pasting the conversations I’ve had with the heads of support just because you don’t like being swatted down.
It suffices to say that I know polices and procedures around this issue as it’s a position I’ve held for 8 years. Stop by the WoW Customer Support forum and peruse the years of Bliz reiterating these concepts for your types year after year.
You’re external, subjective experiences.
My internal, factual experiences. I can post my interactions with support regarding disiplanary measures if you want, but I’ll have to redact them considerably.
And again, I have worked in the industry, just not with Blizzard, and Blizzard almost certainly follows at least some of the industry standards.
If player word is never even a secondary factor, then the text boxes in the report features of all their games are meaningless and should be removed.
Jesus Captain, you can’t stop yourself from twisting what you can.
You know full well I mean external to Blizzard.
I never said I work for Bliz. MVPs are not employees.
MVPs are not internal to Blizzard. Are they sending you a paycheck?
Signing an NDA does not make you an internal part of Blizzard.
If a report category is vague, the text box provides the direct for thr GM to look. The details on the incident don’t matter.
That’s still use of a player’s word. If that context can impact a report, then it’s use of a players word. If your statements about the players word never being used were true, that context would never be considered and the text box is meaningless.
And also, lest anyone not realize it in this conversation: War3 is not World of Warcraft. You don’t have MVP privileges on this board or moderating powers in the game or your text would be a different color. You can’t use your experiences with WoW to make judgements about this game, as they are entirely separate.
Just save yourself some typing man. If I can type in the box “heres the context for this situation” and it guides the GM in any way (including “where to look”) then the player’s word is being used in some capacity. that is indisputable.
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We have internal access to respective departments. As I said, I have direct lines to Blizzard Support.
We are not employees. We are not paid.
Again look at you. Knowing everything, this time about my position. Knowing even more than I do about it.
No it’s not. Regardless of what is said, all actions are based off internal logs only. You can keep repeating it as much as you need, but it doesn’t make it correct.
I’m not a WoW MVP either. Support MVPs are game agnostic. Our speciality is in Support, not any one game. Jesus, Captain…
Again look at you. Knowing everything, this time about my position. Knowing even more than I do about it.
All these desparate and ignorant attempts to keep afloat are killing what little credibility you have around here.
For everyone else, here’s the patch notes where Blizzard themselves says the player reporting in this game is automated.
You’re just making a bunch of claims that you can’t prove “without breaking NDA.” Technically, you’re already doing so by telling me you do these things, but whatever. Everyone likes to claim I work for Blizzard, but I can’t trust a word you say without any evidence.
And I’d be especially concerned about you posting here if you were ever involved in any of my support tickets. And I also find the implication that Blizzard is using volunteers (“MVPs”) to handle support concerning.