Is reforged doing so badly due to political issues?

I don’t get it… I’m loving playing through the old campaign, could they have done a little better on graphics? Gotten rid of the 12 unit selection limit that everyone hates? Sure, but they are beautiful and it’s so nice to play this old game again. One or two little bugs (only one that was mildly annoying that I’ve seen) but it was just released… kinda normal.

But I had a thought, is it possible that this is the Chinese or Hong Kong government trying to get back at Blizzard for the Hong Kong protests?

I mean seriously… the review scores are crazy, crazy low. Like unheard of low… is WC3 caught in the middle of a political protest?

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Oh no, you could probably blame the Chinese for a slew of things, but this one is all on Blizzard.

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It’s more related how Blizzard lied to us, rather than to what you mentioned.

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haha the username practically proves the idea

How did Blizzard lie?

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heres just some of the things people have problems with:

No clans
No profiles
Can no longer have more than 1 account
No more custom campaign functionality
No more Reign of Chaos balance for the Reign of Chaos campaign
No more built-in tournament functionality
No more The Frozen Throne menu screen
No more LAN functionality
No more offline games versus the AI
No more cross-chat with Diablo 2 players
No more /commands
Removed friend list
Removed custom game filter
Custom game list is no longer global - you can’t play custom games with people from other regions
No MMR system
No custom keybinds
Removed the Dryad’s “I’m so wasted” voice line, possibly others missing that have yet to be discovered
Cut all the promised new cutscenes
Cut all the new english voice acting
New foreign dubs which are inferior and compulsory, can NOT be changed back
Cut promised new story content
Arthas vs Illidan cutscene looks like cheap fanmade youtube garbage
Menu is awful and unfinished with chat clipping
The end of match summary is completely butchered and doesn’t tell you useful info
The old client is gone, even if you don’t own reforged you’re forced into replacing it if you ever connect to bnet
Custom maps now have a report button so blizzard can ban maps and ban people hosting them
And finally, remember that this was delayed before release

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Proves what, exactly?

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As it stands, graphics aside, WC 3:Reforged is flat out inferior to the original WC3 in terms of content and functionality, with a lot of features that were in the original game missing.
So, cool, we don’t like Reforged, we can just go back to the original, right?
And this is where fun begins - you can’t. You are stuck with the buggy and inferior Reforged version. The original client is no longer available. If you haven’t bought Reforged, you’ll simply get the gimped version of it that doesn’t have the Reforged features on top of removing all the other features from the original game.

All we can do is wait and hope Blizzard maybe will be kind enough to bring this new client to the level that the original WC3 was for 18 years. And at this point that’s a pretty big maybe.

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No it’s because they cut like half of what they promised from the announcement of Blizzcon 2018

I mean they still advertise missing features on their main site. They haven’t taken to time to even update that.

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You could hope that. And it would be wise of Blizzard to revert ever single line of code to the original state for Classic owners. Otherwise, I have a feeling that Blizzcon 20 is going to be a PA disaster…

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It’s an issue of running out of time and money and wanting to release in a certain time frame.

Lock at their advertisment
they are litteraly selling you something that does not exist
not to talk about stripping features of the old game Sure that is not lying but its arguably worse

No, not entirely.
Let’s be real, there are bad actors, political, anti-blizzard, but they are a minority.

The score as it is, is a result of the media snowball effect, every youtube video and article pointing out the IMDB and talking about the issues causes more outrage and people unrelated to the topic go to do their part in fighting against the evil activision blizzard overlords.
HOWEVER, there was a huge backlash already forming due to blizzard’s panel where they said they would dial back many changes due to the opinions of purists.
Basically, blizzard has two camps right now that are pissed at them.
The purists: IMO they are not worth trying to placate, for them, blizz should have left the old client intact and left it at that. They hate the art, the new models, they think everything about the old game was better and they hate that reforged is forced on them, and with a 30gb download.
Their concerns are legit, blizzard really should have left the old client alone.

Those who actually wanted the upgrade: For the rest of us, we were looking forward to blizzard doing a real update, not a half assed middle ground fence sitting remake that fails to please either side.
They didn’t redo the cutscenes, they’ve fixed few of the issues with AI, pathing, bugs, didn’t update the editor to the level they said, and overall half-assed the reforging in order to appease a vocal minority that may or may not just be a scapegoat for their own budget/time constraints.(Things that aren’t up to par are Cutscenes, Campaign, animations are bad, No new UI, etc.).
And at this point in time, blizzard is STILL advertising the game based on some of those promises, as well as showing the outdated better cutscene of the culling.

Blizzard also promised expanded storylines and details for important characters like Sylvanas, now, I didn’t want them to retcon anything, but adding a little more detail wouldn’t be too bad.(As long as they didn’t do any George Lucas level sh-t)

For me personally: I’m just disappointed in the awful animations/portraits, the lack of a contrast slider, the lack of the promised art tools and unit selection cap in the editor, and mildly disappointed with the lack of development done on the campaigns.
There’s then a third group, that has no issue with either of those things, and instead, just can’t play the f—ing game.
I’ve had the auto defeat bug about 10x since release, making me unable to complete the campaign, I’ve been unable to invite friends to a game and play customs, friends don’t show up, game is buggy, big lag spikes when building buildings, game crashes and disconnects more often than old client for me.

There’s a lot of legit criticism, the game for me is a 6/10, the 0.8 or so is a message to blizz. I appreciate blizzard’s work on the models, the variety and depth of the remodeled assets are a vast effort that I commend, but there is a lot more polish needed even on that front.(Animations in particular, some of the textures, some custom models still missing such as “Baine” and “Chaos Space Orc”.

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Don’t forget about the “vanilla” version of Reforged looking way worse than the original vanilla game - with things like rain and shadows flat out missing.

Seriously, this has to be the first game in existance that locks bloody shadows behind a 30$ paywall. And some say Paradox has dodgy DLC practices.

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I don’t even think it’s that.

I strongly believe they cut things right after Blizzcon 2018. They never had finished any of the other ingame cinematics or anything like that. They literally only had the one done for Blizzcon and that’s it. Just enough to advertise the game.

I think after they announced WC3 and the whole Diablo:Immortal debacle, Blizzard decided that the hype around it was not worth investing in.

They basically gave the team a lump on money and said, “that’s all you get”. So they straight gut the game and did the easiest/fastest work on everything, like the Menus and whatnot.

I can understand nearly all of it except

No more Reign of Chaos balance for the Reign of Chaos campaign
and
Can no longer have more than 1 account
First one is an improvement because I can now have 50 supply before minore upkeep and 80 supply before high upkeep.
Second one is a hit agains smurfes and not even true because you can just make second Blizzard account.
Custom game list is no longer global - you can’t play custom games with people from other regions
Is only partly true. Now you need to change region where you want to play in the Client so you can still play with people from Amerika or Asia.

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Kinda… There are people out there who just want to see blizzard fail, no matter what. They get off to the idea and spread hate and fear mongering. Like a lot of the reviews are bad because its become a meme to take a dump on any faults of a triple A company, no-matter how much of a non-issue something is.

People who couldn’t see the writing on the wall about reforged being toned down do not have a leg to stand on, because they only want to jump on the band wagon. I mean look at how many new 1-10 post accounts there are floating on the forums now. How come they where not on the forums during the development?

I know reforged is not the best game, but people who are losing their minds is hilarious in of itself. Basically I respect those who have real concerns for the game. But people who are like “cAn We GeT rEvEwS tO 0.6?! oMeGA LuL BliZzaRd baD!” Never deserve any modicum of respect.

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Well, I myself realise that some might join the choir of ragers out of fun, spite or boredom. Some always do.

I myself am somewhat ticked off about not being able to play a game I bought 15+ years ago because of a remake launched a couple of days ago… which I, incidentally, didn’t even buy.

And I’m willing to bet I’m not the only one on that particular bandwagon.

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Yeah it’s partly political protest and partly broken promises. Reforged is the best game of all time regardless of that. Just ignore the whiners :slight_smile:

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Yeah and I agree, removing the OG game and other olde games is very shady and blizzard should be scolded for that. I even remember cross-play being considered one of the main features. If they snuff out the old game whats the point in the compatibility.

Reforged is the best game of all time?

I’d say that’s very debatable. There are games I enjoyed more than WC3, and I enjoyed WC3 a lot.

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