sorry you don’t understand how the English language works
you can make an argument based on what i said. i just want to raise awareness that making an argument about a 3rd person being indirectly quoted in a very condensed summary is very inaccurate.
when i write a summary of a 14 minute straight talking video in 8 sentences in a different language, there are going to be inaccuracies and i dont want the author of the video to be accused of some very specific phrasing i used to compress the content into basically 5% of the original. even though it represents what was being said, it is not what the author is rightfully responsible for as it isnt a word for word transcription+translation. this is exactly what is wrong with todays press and i dont want my phrasing of “unable or unwilling” to grow legs and get twisted into direct quotation somewhere down the line, as this has been brought up in several arguments now.
thats just a word of caution towards responsible handling of sources.
i stand by the summary i wrote up, but as soon as very specific wording details are subject to a discussion concerning the author himself, you need to have a 1:1 translation as source.
ill do a 1:1 translation of the part that i rapidly described as “unable or unwilling”.
8:18-9:26:
"Since then very little has changed in the warcraft 3 main menu. the button for “clans” is still greyed out and a info box still states that this function is still to be brought back in a future patch.
it is absolutely incomprehensible for me that blizzard, especially after this violent outcry, could remain this inactive; how they frivolously missed the opportunity to show goodwill. [note: this is what i attributed with “unwilling” as this describes a choice made to not get active] all while profiles, clans and ranked ladder cant be that complicated to implement as the community themselves managed to create a fully functional ladder within two months post release.
[explaining what w3champions is]
that the fans managed to built something, that blizzard failed at, remains an absolute show of incompetence [or incapacity / pathetic display] [note: this obviously is the part i summarized with “unable”]."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6mJnrdLGw
It is not only that. There are many causes, but you may also read between the lines as “possibly they will… possibly not… I have refunded so who cares…”.
Wait, there is a missing point here. Duskstalked proved that those were not screenshots but mockups. That’s 100% sure.
That does not imply that they were not making any progress.
Leviathan pointed out that mockups are a common way to show how a product will look like. That’s also correct.
This still does not show how much progress they were doing.
We also know that the wall of text they added is just made of empty words. It just generically describe what a elo system is.
Still no insight of the progress.
So, the images are totally unrelated to the progress.
But, the funny part is that the actual progress is just shown by the status of the game.
And that’s 0.
I don’t care if the cousin of the noob who decided to destroy this game is playing a full version of ladder with his friend on a server next to his house.
The difference from months ago is 0. That’s the progress.
When you have an exam and you don’t even go there your mark is 0.
It doesn’t matter if you had done 0 or 99% of the work already, your progression is marked as 0.
You may argue: but Blizzard didn’t have a deadline.
The deadline was 1st of January 2020 and they missed it.
They postponed it and delivered a broken game let’s say 10% of a full functional one? (being the original WC3 a full functional comparison and no, what was already in WC3 does not count as progress).
Then they started the “soon” bs.
They could not keep the “soon” any longer and also failed at updating the community even for saying “hello, we are still working on it”.
This added a form of disrespect to the failure and it went worse and worse and worse.
The answer to the question “is the game finished?” is not “soon” or “possibly” or “we got a screenshot or a mockup”.
It is “yes” if the game is complete and fully playable with all its features (a bit of elasticity on bugs and tweakings or testing).
or “not” for EVERYTHING ELSE.
So you Leveiathan and Duskstalker make peace, mockup or not, there is no progress to talk about…
…and btw:
try to read it again now and tell me how it sounds^^
I’m just saying that both Duskstalker pointing out all the gimmicks in those images and you pointing out that mockups are a legitimate way to propose products are on the same line. The point is that all these Images are backed by nothing or better, they end up doing nothing.
There’s still a world of difference between seeing this as a failure to meet expectations, which the situation is, and calling it a flat-out-lie. Simply showing that the screenshots are mockups isn’t really proof that the backend wasn’t worked on.
All else, everyone’s in fair agreement that this is a shotty situation.
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Indeed, it’s what I have said above, but even if they had 99% done they still delivered 0. I think that the difference here is what they “delivered” and what they “were working on”…
showing cooked up screenshots of something doesnt imply it is being worked on neither. the screenshots give no insight on what is happening whatsoever, as they are completely made up. they might be concept, they might be an early preview or they might be a marketing lie. you decide what you want to believe.
this would be different, if the screenshots were actually taken in engine, which would imply something has actually been worked on but hasnt been released.
but the facts are: blizzard showed screenshots composed in photoshop and there havent been any indications beyond these that blizzard is actually doing anything.
they didnt patch reforged for quite some while, the last features they brought back date back almost a year and from these new advertised features nothing got patched into the game in the slightest and now we find out the team has been reassigned some time ago.
alot promised, nothing delivered.
those screenshots dont mean anything until they release something of substance. until then, i regard this as a marketing stunt - as this is 90% of what we were getting. dont forget that what they delivered until now mostly is catching up on what they underdelivered from the already reduced feature set for initial release.
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showing cooked up screenshots of something doesnt imply it is being worked on neither. the screenshots give no insight on what is happening whatsoever, as they are completely made up. they might be concept, they might be an early preview or they might be a marketing lie. you decide what you want to believe.
That it didn’t happen doesn’t mean it wasn’t worked on, that’s my point. We can say they failed to deliver, but unless you actually have proof, there’s little reason to claim that it wasn’t actually worked on or that it was fabricated. No one knows either way, right?
So I’m not contending that they failed to deliver, but I do think that you’re unable to prove it was a complete fabrication that wasn’t worked on because no one has enough information to substantiate it either way.
I’m fine if you think it’s a lie, as long as we’re clear it’s an opinion. It’s not something we have insider info on.
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It’s still neither.