Blizzard. Can you create a choice to install WarCraft 3 Original Set (3gb) or Reforged (30gb). I want a freedom with decision to play an original designed wc3. Give me a freedom. For the Alliance!
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You already have that freedom. If you’re hurting for space that badly I’ll send you a $5 flash drive that has more than enough space for the game.
I remain baffled at these disk space complaints. I have dozens of games that all take more space than WC3R does. Hell, my phone has enough space for the game if it were to go mobile.
Even if you’re in a remote corner of the world with a 10+ year old PC you should be able to come up with 30GB of space.
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Thank you for flash drive. But I don’t agree with wc3 30 gb. Imagine MS Office 40 gb. I don’t want to save things I not use. It is irrationally. 
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I can teach you computer science for $5 if you want^^
Considering the dramatic situation I may even do it for free^^
(Stop offending others, come on)
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And I stand flabbergasted at these complainers complaining about disk complainers.
And I also miss the 2GB non battle net launcher version that would allow me to make multiple multiplayer accounts but we don’t always get what we want. So stop trolling with the dad remarks, CAP’N Jack
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I don’t mind having a game of 30 GB installed on my drive, but it has to be justified. What we have here is 29 GB of visual trash.
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That’s exactly the point…
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Providing a modular download option for Warcraft III is superior to making an older version of the game downloadable. an option where we can exclude HD assets.
We know that classic team developers advocated this to be added to the game before their funding was cut, the technology was supposed to be moved over from Call of Duty.
Its quite a simple thing to do, yet quite effective and high impact to improve the accessibility of our game, arguments on economics is also not really valid, the majority of the world, especially after 2 major global events, is under pressure in terms of wealth and accessibility to hardware.
There is also one simple argument regarding this, if a game is playable by 90% without requiring a certain set of assets that technically can be classified as DLC, there is no reason to force people to download something they will never use.
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Im imagining it and it doesn’t bother me, it must come with tons of extra clip art and media files
That’s your opinion, I think the game looks fine. Maybe it should be better than “fine” but it’s not bad enough to make me feel like it only exists to take up space.
There’s nothing irrational about it when it’s not causing harm. There’s lots of things in my house that I do not use. But they aren’t harming me either. And I may need or want them some day. Unless it crosses into the realm of being a hoarder, it’s not an issue.
Frankly I think it’s irrational to care so much about how much disk space your games are using unless you actually don’t have enough for them. And the thing about data storage space is it’s cheap and easy to get more, often without even taking up more physical space.
If the reforged graphics offend you so much I’m sure there’s a way to manually delete them. Why should we slow down work on other things that matter more (thanks for coming back to patch the game guys) so some engineer can do whatever work is necessary to make a stripped down build that doesn’t include the data that offends you and ten other people SO MUCH, when they could be using that time to make the game itself better?
I have a degree in it, but thanks for caring! This isn’t a computer sicence issue in any way, soooo…
we already know how you feel about it and how you continue to exaggerate just how much of an issue this actually is (i.e. not much)
And I’m not offending anyone? I haven’t said one mean or rude word? I haven’t done anything wrong whatsoever.
This is an absolutely horrible analogy. The reason it is horrible is that the only things you put in your house, I assume, are the ones that you yourself put there. Regardless of whether the end result and the overall point you are trying to make is right or wrong, this analogy is just really, really horrible. Because it assumes that non-Reforged players trying to play their old classic game from the 2000s themselves put this stuff on their hard drive and then decided not to use it, like how you put the stuff in your house that you are claiming you do not use.
If you do not see why this is an absolutely horrible analogy, then let us extend the analogy by making it real. Now that we know you have a lot of stuff in your house that you do not use, I would actually be interested to get in touch with you about putting my stuff in your house too. You will not use it, but maybe some day you might buy it from me, so it’s actually much easier for me if I could put it all in your house. I have quite a number of things, and like you said space is cheap for you. Feel free to message me privately about this and we can set something up so that I can head over and fill your house with my stuff that you might decide to buy from me later. Seriously, I have a bunch of stuff and a little extra doesn’t bother you, like you said. Space is cheap.
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Your ciritque of my analogy is horrible, because the only things I put on my PC, are the things that I myself put on there. Like this game. And all the other ones I have. I put this game on my PC knowing full well in advance how much space it would take up, what I was getting for my money, and what sorts of issues it had.
Well you see, Reforged was supposed to be something we were going to want, an update to that old classic game that made it look nicer (hence the need for more space) and offered other modernizations. Granted, it didn’t pan out that way thanks to the publisher ruining it. But the solution so that should be to go back and make things better, not stick appeasing bandaids all over it.
They should be making those features better so people will want to use them, rather than give up on them and remove them.
Well, one of my PCs deleted this game from itself without asking when it tried to install the “new” one automatically which failed because of too little space, so in the end it just took away the game from my computer without asking.
Do you believe that because you purchased Reforged, people who only purchased Frozen Throne should have their game taken away? Because you got what you wanted, therefore other people don’t matter? Really?
So you would be okay with me putting all of my junk in your house, as long as I am going to wash it and make it nice later so that you really would probably buy it.
Yeah, definitely reach out to me privately about letting me put my stuff in your house.
The thing is, this game was supposed to be an improvement which you would WANT to replace the old one with. Maybe that didn’t happen for many of us, but they should still be striving to make the game worthy of being that reaplcement, rather than, again, giving up.
Now, I actually agree that they shouldn’t have replaced it on the sole basis that no matter what they did or how amazing it was, there would be at least a few people who think even the tiniest change to their sacred game would be blasphemy, and they learned from that mistake with D2R by leaving the original game online.
That being said, I expect they thought that dividing the community that way would do more harm than good (at least, if Reforged ended up being a widely successful product)…
And you think that along with other updates to the game, making it only download the new improvement onto peoples’ computers who opted in (so that the people themselves decide and users have more control) would be a form of giving up?
Honestly I think if the users had an option to download Reforged or only the old classic game, even if they did buy Reforged, it would still be an “improvement” and not a “give up.” Then a paying user who usually uses the larger newer stuff could optionally run the older smaller stuff on an older small machine.
That doesn’t seem like giving up to me at all.
See my updates to the post, but having two seperate versions of the game (particularly given classic mode was supposed to be more or less unchanged outside of the menus, the same as Starcraft Remastered) would divide the community. This did sort of happen with D2R but D2R was vastly more successful and has a healthy community despite its early issues.
I think they did it this way because it worked out just fine for Starcraft, which is an even older game. But of course, SC1R didn’t have a clusterbomb of a launch.
I just think we wouldn’t be having these kinds of conversations had W3R lived up to its hype/potential.
No. I am not referring to a need for dividing the community. When I play Reforged in English, it does not download the Spanish localization data. There is already a subsystem in the Battle.net game data programming for optional downloads. I am saying the Reforged graphics mode folder should be optionally able to be turned off. That is not as major as dividing the playerbase, which would be something different entirely. As I understand, Warcraft III Patch 1.27 is still available from Blizzard using the getLegacy link, similar to how D2R allows the user to download the old version of Diablo 2000. But the servers for that old getLegacy build of Frozen Throne are turned off. So, I guess you could be interpretting what I’m saying as suggesting to Blizzard that they should turn those servers back on. But that’s not really what I meant. Hopefully that’s clear. This company intends for Frozen Throne Patch 1.32+ to be the webui game that does crossplay with Reforged. I am simply saying that version should engage the optional download mechanism in order to not download the additional 30GB of assets IF the user opts not to download that. Then, until they downloaded it, the Classic/Reforged graphics slider would not let them switch to Reforged graphics. But the greyed-out slider would still be there. It would still be the crossplay game.
If your solution to discussing this is to say that you don’t want to talk about it anymore, then it sounds like you are perhaps admitting defeat in the field of argumentation. In my anecdotal opinion, having this game replace the old 2 GB install with a 30 GB install that had a different menu was actually a driving force for player dislike of the game at launch. If the Reforged game used the old menu system and felt like “the latest enhanced version of the old game” in the first 20 seconds when users opened the menu, honestly I think a lot more people may have liked the Reforged. Sometimes, the user attention spans really are that short.
I’m doing no such thing, please don’t make up things that aren’t there. I didn’t say I didn’t want to talk about anything anymore, nor did I say I was admitting defeat. There wasn’t even an implication or supposition or argument to that effect.
The point was, if Reforged was a big success, you wouldn’t have people like in this thread complaining about how much space it takes up because they’d actually be using those features. But my issue is that people are basically saying that they should cut their losses instead of trying to make the product something people actually want. Thankfully, at least for me, they’ve begun updating the game again. And I’d be much happier if all their resources were spent making the game better.
No one said anything about a “need” to divide the community. It’s about what would actually happen if there were two seperate versions of the game. You’d have some people, like you, who apparently never wanted reforged in the first place no matter how good it would (or wouldn’t) end up being, who Activision has to maintain classic battle.net chat/matching servers for; and some people on Reforged, which is entirely seperate since it runs on the new battle.net framework. Meaning there would be two seperate pools of warcraft 3 players. And let’s be honest, the online-playing community probably wasn’t large enough for that to be a good idea.
The localizations are not seperate versions of the game. It’s the same game client referring to a different data file to populate strings with text characters.
Now, if a modder can strip the game of the HD assets without breaking it, with one person and just a short period of time, maybe you can make the case that this can be done without compromising progress on the planned updates to the game.
And again: I’m not saying it was a good idea to entirely replace the old version with the new one. I was trying to explain what their logic likely was. I think dividing the community was a risk they considered. And someone at Activision or Blizzard probably thought purists would be totally fine just using the Classic option in the game if they didn’t care for the Reforged graphics, and enjoy the other improvements, and probably didn’t think many people would be bothered by the increase in disk space (successful game or not). And if I’m being honest with you, I agree with that sentiment, but it’s also possible that nobody at Activision/Blizzard even asked that question in the first place.
I personally believe it’s a vocal minority complaining about disk space, and that even they are exaggerating about principles and how big of a deal it actually is, just to make their point. Which isn’t to say tat it isn’t a problem for ANYBODY, but rather that it’s a small issue affecing a few people. As I’ve said before, even on the PC I bought before I got Warcraft III, I could handle a 30GB game. Yes, it was a lot of space back then, but it isn’t really anymore. You can buy storage devices the size of your fingernail that can store multiple copies of the game. Even for an old PC- in which case those devices might actually be faster than the hard drive you’re using.
don’t get what’s so hard to understand here, i don’t see why people are fighting and i don’t see why people are misunderstanding this.
if i don’t have access to HD graphics as I did not buy Reforged and simply used my old Reign of Chaos cd-key to get 1.32, why should I be forced to download 30 GB that I physically can’t use and are just wasting away there?
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