Please? Think back to your childhood. Remember the nostalgia of the snowfall in the background, the soothing sound of snow as if you were in the dead of winter at the frozen throne, itself. The little skink jumping off the rock into the water every minute or two. The menu screens lifted and lowered with the satisfying chain noises. The neat and uncluttered chat channel system and simple icons for melee and custom games. Even for the campaigns, ANIMATED campaign screens for each race’s campaign.
Can I just pay to have that back? Pretty please, Blizz?
So, beside the feelings part, if I tell you: do you want a perfectly functional 4:3 menu or a clutched laggy bugged interface but in more resolutions?
Which one would you choose?
Also consider that the proportional chat size of 4:3 is the same of the 4k.
I think that the whole reforged project can be summarized by its release moment.
For anyone who weren’t there, after the download (and 1 year + 1 extra month of waiting) you found yourself in a randomly made interface, with fake buttons, a broken scroll chat with unknown commands… if you were even able to pass the lion door. There was a totally out of the interface style button where you could switch between graphical modes. If you could not switch it simply said that you had to buy reforged even if you already had it, that mystery has never been solved. Joining a game would spin forever or kick you back to the main chat with a random win or loss. All this at like 5-10 fps.
At least after 1 YEAR AND HALF the chat scrolls and you get mostly disconnected in custom games…
The quality was so abysmal that the best thing to do is just clear everything and start over again. If you cannot pay for it, the best thing is to revert for trying to save your face.
Getting rid of the new menu would be bad for w3champions mod. Shouldn’t we discuss that as the legitimate roadblock instead of just posting all our opinions of how much we like the old menu?
I saw a hack on Reforged Beta from before the html menu was added. It had the 1.31 menu with added 16:9 support even though 1.31 did not have this. It also had a 3d menu background asset, maybe made by lemonsky. They could just give us that.
Honestly DSG, i just think its their duty to add a Classic UI, but in what shape ? well, upscaling will be required, but, turn the 3D animated backgrounds into videos.
Upscale or, create new UI Art in theme of the older game but do not change any button position introduced on Reforged just a Classic looking art mounted on the Classic Mode this includes the score screens and every loading screen galore, the background videos should also be something that is downloaded once and for all like the cinmatic ones, they aren’t really intensive and having them downloaded will be better.
They should introduce this coupled with the option to download a Classic only version of the game, not that they relate or “must” be done in that order, more like a little icing on the cake syncing of “updates” .
Why? Why do they need to be videos? Warsmash gets 1000 fps on the 2002 menus when rendering on my desktop PC. Why make it a video?
Honestly Stormknight I’ve seen you post all over and I thought you were in favor of the old legacy game engine or something like that. Now you’re okay with just reskinning the Reforged engine to be colored or themed in the style of the 2002 game?
It’s all so blasted contradictory. If I worked at Blizzard on a mini team to “waste some money improving public appreciation for Reforged,” I would have no idea what in the blazes to do. I thought people liked classic because it looked like classic!? So many people think 1.31 is not Reforged… it’s crazy. From the technology/programming side 1.31 is Reforged essentially. But for a lot of people that doesn’t matter, that’s what these forums have been saying since Reforged Release. People want to FEEL like the program they are running is the 2002 game. For those people, how would a recolor of the Reforged menu to “look more classic” be anything but an insult and something to further enflame their anger!?
I am really surprised to see this coming from you, StormKnight. I thought your online status used to be “Bring Back Classic” or something like this. Are you, by chance, an imposter of the StormKnight that I have encountered in the past?
Retera, i change opinions to what i think it might be better based on the influence i have received from people who disagree with me, so you can say i evolve instead of being in one continue state of mind.
I fully understand that 1.28+ is the undertaking of the Reforged project form its earliest roots, my only disagreement i with the usage of terminology, in a way that is more understandable and reasonable, the distinction you make, one which i highlighted just now and we both know, can not be easily digest by everyone, so i respect people who refer to pre Reforged as Classic, i personally think its okay since despite the wonderful updates it was still using the Classic Battle.net 1.0 client, as simple and logical as that, with 1.32 we get the new client and a full transfer to modern Battle.net 2.0 so that’s “Reforged” in quotation.
As for the UI, look, i wouldn’t hesitate to press the “Yes Button” on an option that would have Blizzard rework this (in my opinion) garbage webbrowser UI, make it built in UI like any RTS game is, and make sure The entirity of the Classic UI is preserved except upscaled and updated to fit modern screens, including all of the credit screens. which would ultimately also preserve the ability for people to use custom 3D backgrounds for Custom Campaigns as they should be able to.
Furthermore, “Bring Back Classic” was a slogan from me that would only be possible if Blizzard wasn’t as scummy as they are now, but how would Classic even come back, you see other RTS games like Age of Empires 2 not touching their original Age2HD games servers at all, only justifying why Definitive Edition exists. well maybe that’s not Blizzards style, but wait, i have another thing to say, basically me and a couple of my friends believed that if right near the release of Reforged they never took away the 1.31.1 clients away, literally no one would play on 1.32+, because 1.31.1 was the more stable game.
Until they had fixed Reforged, which still remains in shambles compared to what it was, even in terms of basic things like connection quality, they should have honored the community by maintaining a 1.31.1 Classic Bnet Server after they were done fixing 1.32+ and adding all the lost and missing features, and polishing the mountains of bugs swarming around like a hornets nest, then they’d slowly make announcements to shut down 1.31.1 finally and have people move over, (i mean you could argue they should still keep it up but eh that’s your call) so the momentum of people playing the game would not be lost that way because of major issues, i’m not even sure why should i debate the undisputed validity that there should be a Classic Only assets download option.
But alas now that they have taken so long to do anything, its pointless to request “Bring Back Classic” and more useful to request the new and reformed suggestions which you replied to.
Guys, can we all agree that it doesn’t matter if it is an old engine or a new engine as long as it works properly? It is not the html browser with embedded 3D or the old DX one. They completely failed to add a menu when they had another game (SC2) that uses the same engine and works flawlessly. Everything regarding reforged was awfully made. For me, saying “give us the old menu back” is just to say “don’t add something that you are clearly unable to handle”. We would all be happy to have a new menu as long as it worked properly and the same is for the rest of the game. When you say w3champions relies on it consider that if the game worked in a decent way there would be no need of w3champions at once. Tomorrow some other smart guy in their “development” office and removes the part of code that allows w3champions or quencing to work without even state it in a patch, since we are not given the chance to read a changelog anymore. What are you going to do then? (Beside waiting for Retera to finish his game?^^)
Yesterday I played a LAN game of Warcraft 3 assets running on LibGDX. Had a great time. I probably only created that hilarious hacked together replica toy game engine on LibGDX because of Reforged. All these social things and communications have side effects and ramifications. It’s not very accurate to say that what I created was created alone. This LAN game we played wasn’t made by me and me alone. It’s a giant hodgepodge trashcan with pieces pulled out of some of the best modding libraries that were sitting around on Hive Workshop. That’s how this stupid and crazy big idea of mine let’s me even so much as touch the dream. Because of our people, these people, and the technologies and ideas that they left behind and gave to people like me without even asking to be paid in return.
You don’t have to worship Reforged, man, if you don’t like it. From my standpoint seems a lot like you should be bothering me instead of bothering “them” if you have things you really wanted. Because I am going to suggest a theory, and I could be wrong about what I’m saying, but, I don’t think there is a “them”. I do not think anyome hears your call. Not Storm, not Earth, nor Fire. Just nobody. You post saying you want somebody, couldn’t somebody please just repaint Reforged a little bit more to have a snowy background like the 2002 game…
But nobody is there. Nobody is doing that. And is it possible you are asking for it because you know someone who already did do that, as a fan mod?
The fan who does that is someone who cares, who enjoys making a technology like that getting nothing in return. Heck, I could just about do it and give you a “programmer-art” reskin and have it done in the next 2-3 hours if my life depended on it.
And yet you ask the illustrious “them” to do it for you instead of someone like me. What sets me apart from Sam Didier is that I can mod the game for you to have a video background in the classic style and he cannot. Because I care enough that I might bother, might, but he will not.
And why of all people, if neither he nor I does this thing for you, would you go and ask the WoW company to do it for you? Unlike Sam and I, the WoW company has to make a living. They don’t have something else to do, so they have to leverage the meaning of Warcraft to be a meaning of profits.
Some retired guy like Sam Didier gets it. He understands that games like this one, Samuro, whatever, and these kinds of characters, are all made up. And he can make up some more, too. I see you idolize his twitter post about the 19th birthday of Warcraft III, but do you also remember that Warcraft III is not real? It’s made up. You can make up another one.
And for people who get that, and who also work at Blizzard, there is no reason to update Reforged because there is nothing you can do to make a product that isn’t capable of profiting as much as you expected to suddenly become profitable. It doesn’t make any sense.
Imagine someone sitting in an office trying to change the menu style in Classic Mode. He would be risking his job to do that. We all would. Because it’s not a respectable thing to be paid a salary while also not doing financially productive work. And I know that you might tell me I am wrong because of your feelings, but I find that that is a very difficult discussion to have with any manager. If your feelings were worth money, Reforged would’ve been profitable and nobody would have refunded it.
So, I don’t think it’s productive for you to think about going on asking for things like this. You can just liberate yourself, and then if you want things you can choose to specifically ask people who have something to gain by doing what you ask and are therefore inclined to actually do it.
This is comedic to me. I do not much value your opinion on technological matters, WinterDryad, if you believe Starcraft 2 and Warcraft 3 are the same engine, because of how strongly I believe that they are in fact not the same.
I suggest what i do even if it falls on deaf ears, but what you said is basically the other half of me, one half of me suggests what is basically a reformed and improved opinion over time on what anyone with the slightest of care at Blizzard should do. other half of me just sticks to what you said, finding individual friends in the community to achieve what i might be looking for and hopefully for it to lead to a tutorial or a guide to help many more like me.
This is, essentially, my main gripe. The “Classic UI” was the epitome of “Simpler is better,” yet it also had those cool details with the snowfall, the little skink jumping of the rock, animated campaign map-select screens, and just, in general, felt really high quality without being high tech. It also felt uniquely clean in a resource / load-time efficient way which this one isn’t.
I’m not a game designer or a programmer, so I don’t understand the whole “main menu is a web app” thing or how it differs from how TFT’s menu layout was coded, but the whole thing feels like a website where the web designer just forgot to put border padding in there somewhere. Overlapping menus on a 2020-made game is just…really bad. It’s also more bare-bones than the old one. No ambient music that makes you feel immersed. No stylized transitions between menu system (the chains dropping the screens down), no fine touches. . . just like gruel plopped onto a plate. No elegance whatsoever.
Isn’t SC2 running the same chromium based browser for the menu? That’s what I have heard…
Why don’t you value my opinion on technological matters? I feel sad now…
“game engine” is a broader term than “graphics engine”. “BlizzardBrowser” is not a game engine. It’s just a UI solution. In SC2 backgrounds are fully 3D which means that they probably don’t run on Chromium.
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