Reforged has no changes. Not even hotkeys (camera, hotkeys, control unit…) customizations in game, no ui improvement… Please this game need new blood. We have paid and we are in 2020. Implement this and don’t listen the old school players who want dominate the future ladder and earn money with their .txt files hotkeys and strong habits. This game don’t even need an update graphic, just implement sc2 tools on warcraft 3 without change the 12 unit limit. Thanks.
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It also didn’t help that they outsourced the making of the textures and everything besides the units look horrible. No rain, building blocks…
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no camera zoom is indeed influenced by whiny ‘progamers’.
i recall foggy complaining about it.
imagine remastering a game from 2002 in 2020 and not offering a camera zoom and still having people play on something designed for 2002 monitors… actual pisstake
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I mean the game is still Warcraft 3. Why change the gameplay? Game is still being played in eSports. The gameplay wasn’t the problem. The customkeys issue is whatever. They have grid. Grid is what is mostly used competitively anyway.
Story was acclaimed so why retcon it for the cluster that is wow?
Now does that mean just reskin the game and call it a day? No. I thought they were remaking
or update the campaign but keeping the story and adding more. All they did was change models.
Why are you blaming wc3 players for blizzards lazyness?
Sounds like you wanted Warcraft 4.
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Wc3 influencers and players too enabled blizzard to destroy this game. It was obvious since 1.5+ years ago that blizz has absolutely no clue what to do or whats important in wc3. Every single patch they did since that time has been ridden with incompetence. The community had to complain back then to prevent this from ever happening, but they were all too busy sucking up or just mindlessly joining the hype bandwagon.
let me specify: their very first patch was done to ‘spice up the ladder mappool’ upon community request, and what did blizzard do? Replaced every single map in the old pool with obscure and unplayable garbage maps. literally. that patch was reverted within a couple weeks because of the instant community backlash.
The patch after that was again for ladder maps, this time they decided to instead of replace maps or create new ones, they would just slightly edit existing maps. And call them balance changes. And guess what? LV maps are worse in 90% of all changes made on them across the board… the same incompetence as always.
And after that more bug patches, maps breaking, desyncs, broke the matchmaking, broke AT, on and on and on it goes…
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100% this! In terms of gameplay changes and such, Reforged team/Blizzard had ALREADY BEFORE THE ANNOUNCEMENT of the game to have the game play EXACTLY the same as the original. The ONLY thing that they were going change in that regard were some balance changes (that they had already begun to do in early 2018) and they had planned to update the UI…thats basicly it as far as the gameplay mechanics go.
But at NO POINT were they talking about anything that would have dramatically changed the gameplay like for example removing the 12 unit cap per group or something like that, that was never even in the discussion when the game was announced.
And like said what ppl MAINLY voiced their concerns about back in 2018 was that ppl didnt want the old voice acting to be replaced nor anything major retcons. Thats it. Ofc there were some “purists” that wanted 100% the same experience aside from the graphics/unit models, but most people would have welcomed entirely remade cutscenes, having new campaings that would have happened for example after events of WC3: TFT and so on.
But ye its ridicilous to shift the blame of this all to purists who didnt want any change…cause like said thats not true at all and Blizzard’s own attitude going forward with this was not to remake the game but remaster it. Its entirely true however that they should have taken their time to FIND OUT what majority of players were first ok with/what players wanted and then deliver that kind of remaster to the best of their ability and take all the time they would have needed with it.
However as soon as they announced the game, they also announced that the game would be coming out by the end of 2019. So its clear that Activision-Blizzard just wanted this game to be done and over with as soon as possible, instead of having Blizzard really take their time with it.
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Actually Blizzard only blamed fans for not changing the story. Everything else wasn’t put in because of lack of budget/effort. The story was going to be changed if they kept the original budget it was just the one thing they could blame on us when they realized they weren’t going to fulfill any of their promises.
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Read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/69p3nv/improved_custom_hotkeys_setup_by_wtvr/
Click here ^^
are you posting just to complain about not being part of the old school players? or do you have any actual interest in learning? if you are capable of learning, and not just complaining, then you should read my guide on hotkey customization (link is just above^)
this is true, but it wasnt the competitive community that said anything about campaign, it was all the wow trolls who care about campaign, most competitive players dont even post on these forums cause they know its filled with newbs here
Yeap, only if added in story/retcon parts + new voice acting would not have been implement, then you could blame the purists for that. But its clear that those things were also likely scrapped not because of fan feedback but because they promised too much/underestimated the amount of work required.
is it just me, or do these 2 statements contradict each other? which is it, are the wc3 “influencers” to blame or were they not loud enough? I’ve been very vocal for 2+ years around here about how to improve ladder/melee and competitive play, I never once said anything about campaign
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Because why make a new thing if it’s not going to be new? Why not just leave WC3 alone and let it be its own thing and make Reforged be different? This is how I’d have done it.
The entire WC3 client would be left alone. The game wouldn’t be stolen from our accounts libraries. Old bnet still there. Then I’d make “Reforged” a F2P style optional update you can download if you own a WC3 key already that lets you play multiplayer or the original campaign with the prettier graphics.
THEN, a $30-$40 price to play the reforged campaign. Modernizing the classic to more 2020 standards. If you love the original WC3, play WC3. I wanted something new with Reforged.
Instead I got the worst of both worlds. The real OG WC3 was stolen from my account. I can never play the original WC3 game unless I pirate it now. Then Reforge was turned into a lazy garbage half ***'d asset reskin with a premium price. Custom games have been ruined with the new TOS. I have nothing to even (legally) play anymore despite the fact I bought the original WC3 three times. Two lost CD’s and one final time to finally get a cd-key added to my account.
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you realize the original TFT client is still available right?
Whether blizzard made a new game or not, they were not going to continue maintaing the old servers for both RoC and TFT, those were going to be shutdown eventually either way, and were lucky we got 17-18 years out of those games… were also lucky wc3 is still in active community
but if you want the old client, just save a backup copy installed on your hdd like many of us do. That way you can still play old maps, watch old replays, and even join private servers without any of the new reforged features
what you are asking for is available, nothing has changed in that regard
and you would go broke, your employees would kill you, and you would be considered a fool for not understanding how businesses work in this world… blizzard isnt a charity
No-one is to blame for this mess but Blizzard.
End of.
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and you would go broke, your employees would kill you, and you would be considered a fool for not understanding how businesses work in this world… blizzard isnt a charity
bobby kotticks monthly payout could finance wc4, wow 2.0 and sc3 allone.
( X___https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bobby-koticks-2012-contract-delivers-up-to-649m-payout/1100-6407651/)
this is 65million $…and that was in 2012!!!
right now he propably makes arround half a billion.
correct, blizzard isnt a charity, its a stock company.
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I’m interested to learn but let’s be honest, 30 euros for 0 improvement for hotkeys and UI in game in 2020, i’m really disapointed. Curiosity : is it possible to control group and take way with hotkey ?
@Ljm yes it is, but you can not rebind hotkeys for unit groups, theyre hardbound to 1,2,3,4,5 etc
if you dont know how to use control groups, you should probably learn about the game before complaining so much, its just very annoying to offer somebody help whos posting about how awful competitive players (like myself) have ruined this game
I dont know what you mean by “take away” but Im pretty sure you mean shift for unit removal? dude, do you know what the word “guide” refers to? I specifically wrote the guide on hotkeys so I wouldnt have to keep retyping all this crap over and over again
so please, go rtfm, and if you have questions beyond the basic “are there control groups” then maybe ill consider helping you, but yes of course this game has control groups, have you never played or watched somebody play this game before?
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I don’t think you understand how big of an impact those games had on their respective communities. Rts games have very sticky fanbases- mainly because there’s so few of them out there
Tbh , you’re the last person I expected to see white knighting blizzard after this horrid release. I could always tell there was something about you I didn’t like.
Oh well, here’s to hoping next week delivers lol it’s all we can do at this point.
wtvr still bashing new players which do not want to go to the hassel of learning hexadecimalvalues and command line editing…iconic.
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