AT can no longer match RT in 4v4 and 3v3

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Greetings,

since your patch “AT can no longer match RT in 4v4 and 3v3.” you cant find any games anymore when you play AT 3 players.

Please remove it again. Thanks

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same as my previous post:

Hello,

Regarding the recent 2.0 patch for Reforged, it’s essential to allow AT vs. RT again. Out of 20 matches, we typically found only one AT vs. AT game, with all the others being AT vs. RT. Now that AT vs. RT has been removed, it’s nearly impossible to find an AT vs. AT match. This change makes it very challenging to play AT with friends. Tonight, we searched for an AT game for over 10 minutes but couldn’t find one and eventually gave up.

If we can’t find games, it takes away much of the enjoyment. Please consider reinstating AT vs. RT matches to make AT viable again.

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No thanks. RT is fine without AT abusers. Good luck, search another game.

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whats the point if you cant find a game anymore? You kill the whole branch with it

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Well I said this would happen, but ppl kept begging for at/rt to be removed anyway. Surprise! it’s hard for full teams to find games!

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The old old way was the best when you could que 2s or 3s or 4s into 4s… but a few of you assclowns just had to abuse it so you could go 500-0. So stupid just a few selfish losers ruined it for us all.

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You know perfectly well that you get 99.9% wins vs rt, without exaggeration, you come here to ask for your 99% back. No game in which you win 99% should exist, because there are other poor people who are also warcraft 3 player who win 0.1% vs at, and those poor people are at home, in random team.

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Completely agree. There is no reason to destroy the ability for friends to play together in a 20 year old game. Its a gem, and its most certainty not as bad as people make it out to be. My friends and I have loved this game for 20 years, the player base is small. Allow everyone to match up and enjoy what a great game this is. No reason for any restrictions at this point in the games life. I could see if the game was brand new and hundreds of thousands were playing competively on a daily/hourly basis. Please revert this awful change for the love of the game for all players!

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I wouldnt mind facing an AT team if an MMR adjustment could be made. If I had 3 solid higher MMR’s on my team then yes AT vs RT could work. I think that will be their next step. Just give them some time. They already just re-did all of this for us and nobody had a clue really. Just a couple leaks weeks prior.

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I’m with Captain on this.

We both pointed out that segregating the pool would reduce the number of matches that could be made thereby increasing the queue times. Of course the replies were along the lines of, “no, it’s better to wait longer for a better matchup”. To which I would reply, ‘not everyone feels the same way’. Well…

Here you go!

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No, random players wanting a more casual experience do not want to play against AT “Pros”. It’s not fun. RT players are no longer punch bags for your amusement.

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absolutely not, no reason that because you are playing with friends and communicate better on discord etc etc against players that are paired with other random players. absolutely not.

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Clearly a different team put this change into effect. the WHOLE reason it was originally this way was because there are NO games in 3v3 or 4v4 AT. Thanks you ruined AT! revert the change back!

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Nobody is a punching bag at all. That has NEVER been my experience playing both RT and AT. It is absolutely preposterous to completely ruin one side on the coin(AT) in this case…just to ensure that 3 or 4 RT players can ALWAYS have an RT matchup. This game is meant for everyone. This change desperately needs reverted back.

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It has nothing to do with playing on discord or with friends. Its about ensuring that everyone can play the game they love. MMR will fix things eventually and you will get more even matchups regardless. Don’t tell me that AT wins all the time. Ive lost and won a large amount of games against both. RT can be extremely dangerous and unpredictable. Its the hackers that I’m most worried about.

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you still can play. RT was not created for RT vs AT.

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Its not about for whom this game is. Its about what experience player get. In reality when RT meets AT its 95% lose. After lose RT can meet the same team again and smb who played them before just leaves. You really know if you play AT that most wins are just enemy leaves. Its called abuse.
On the other side RT gets negative experience that makes him to drop this game. Its just about quantity of player lose. The majority of 4x4 are RT players, the minority is AT. I think they dont want to lose majority and sacrifice AT. And if you cant find games for 20 minutes that means that there so poor amount of AT players that they doesnt cost a thing.

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95% vs RT is an understatement, at the beginning of Reforged you could look at the stats on a page and these AT teams had 99% or perfect stats.

They come here to say that they lose a lot vs RT but the reality is that the vast majority of ATs are solid, experienced players with good apm, they only include you in their friendlist if you are a good player, that is what makes it impossible to win for RT, in RT there will always be several noobs.

Also I suspect that they -blizzard- have not removed it now because of the tremendous injustice that it is, they have removed it because ATs were cheating among themselves by abusing the leader with some players leaving the game to not get the wins, so they could get perfect stats or manipulate the leader. Cheaters to the end.

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I mean, it’s been proven across all games that have a competitive ladder system. When you allow full premade teams against teams full of randoms, the advantage a full team has is obscene to say the least. One of the few good decisions blizzard made . Good on them .

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What they could do is adjust AT to RT by making RT teams slightly stronger so they can properly challenge AT.

For example, at higher AT levels, RT could be given a slight advantage, like 1% or 2% more HP or damage. However, this should only apply at the highest levels to ensure fairness, especially since AT teams often communicate through Discord.

This is my suggestion to make AT vs. RT matchups more balanced. But I’m just brainstorming here, and there are likely better solutions.

For instance, at lower levels, if an AT team has around 3000 MMR, they could play against RT teams with MMRs between 3500 and 4100.

At higher levels, the same system could apply. For example, if an AT team is at 5500 MMR, they could play against RT teams with MMRs between 5900 and 6200. Again, these are just numbers I’m playing with.

If an AT team is at a very high level, like between 6500 and 7000 MMR, RT teams could perhaps be given some additional advantages, such as a slight percentage increase in HP or damage for their units. Alternatively, RT teams could start with more gold or wood or even an extra worker at the beginning of the game.

I’m just throwing out ideas to illustrate my point. If anyone has a better suggestion, I encourage them to share it with Blizzard