DK Lich fiends destro + banshees every game, every time it goes well
Coils for free, frost armor against Orcs, and if it’s not enough, fiends can burrow themselves just to tempo, no mana issues with statues, banshees against BM and DH.
You can OS every units and heroes with Silence (Third Hero Banshee Queen) with coil + nova
Being a 2v2 RT player is painful since you meet 2 UD AT every 2 games. Coils and frost armor perma, both doing the same fiends destro build order… Jesus
I mean since even pros can’t handle them sometimes (kinda often actually), isn’t it a proof that they deserve a bit nerf ?
Feel the same. Most powerful race. Mobile, tanks, nukes.
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Since when Undead became so good? What happened? Last time, I mean, very long ago, that Undead was struggling in the VS Mode.
Sounds like you just dont know how to effectively play vs Undead.
What is your preferred race?
UD is balanced, NE is the only race that is slightly weak.
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Something to always keep in mind vs Undead.
UD cant nuke a Dark Ranger to death(Shes undead).
Deathknight cant Deathcoil his Lich when he’s Silenced.
If its the heroes specifically that you are struggling to cope with, you may want to find a way to work Dark Ranger into your strategies.
As a orc player it can be frustrating to fight a kiting army. Try to have TC for Aura for speed along with speed scrolls + dust + ensnare goes a long way. What iv been trying to do vs undead is to focus on 2-3 fiends at the same time to distribute damage causing the DK to decide what unit to heal. I still find myself focusing 1 fiend at a time which is healed up before i kill it:(. Try splitting the damage and see if you have any improvements.
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I’ll be honest back before TFT came out the best 1on1 game I had was NE vs UD and it was basically completely even the entire game until his 3 heroes leveled up to 6+…I just couldn’t win a fight and eventually ran out of resources. Was the only 1on1 game I played where we expanded the entire map
U have issues if ur struggling with UD as orc. The nature of the game will always make that a disadvantageous matchup for UD. I think in the latest patch UD has a much higher potential peak than the other races, but not many players play UD optimally. It’s not really a race you can cruise control on in terms of micro.
No, those units you mentioned already received nerfs in patch 1.30 from casuals/noobs complaining.
Lich
- Frost Armor Reduced to 4 sec at all levels
Obsidian Statue
- Reduced Hit point from 550 to 500
Destroyer
- Hitpoint Reduced from 900 to 850
- Reduced Orb of Annihilation bonus damage from 20 to 15
- Devour Magic decrease damage to summon units from 180 to 160
Frost Wyrm ( A unit no one makes in 1v1)
- Reduced Frost Breath duration on heroes from 10 to 3 sec
Orb of Corruption
- Decreased armor reduction from 5 to 4
Stop complaining about things and GIT GUD.
Also on ToD’s Town Hall Meeting youtube video he/other pros and casters talked about balance. Non of them called for nerfs, and Thorzain says hu vs ud has less to do with balanced but more to do with other factors such as UD players no longer allowing humans a free expo by being more aggressive. They also mentioned Orcs being the best race, not Undead.
Balance talks start @ 2:20:00
Here is Happy the current best Ud Pro talking about match ups as well:
They skip around topics alot so ill leave these two time stamps 32:17 they talk about interesting tricks and then undead some undead units. And at 49:40 he begins talking about match ups.
The point is the pros who are playing this game at the highest level do not consider undead to be needing a nerf. In fact a lot of them mention other match ups not involving undead having problems such as Orc vs Human.
There is no benefit to you and others on this forum who just complain, but there is a benefit in just simply getting better at the game.
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