AMAI in Reforged

Hey guys. Do u remember AMAI for warcraft 3? It was an advanced AI for melee maps, much better than the original one. U could use commands or tell AI to execute certain tactic. Would be cool if Blizzard implemented this in Reforged version instead of basic AI for melee maps. Basic AI was so primitive… AMAI was much, much better.

For those who dont know what’s AMAI:
AMAI which stands for (Advanced Melee Artificial Intelligence) is an ai mod developed for warcraft 3 to be vastly superior to the standard ai and makes it more versatile and interesting to play against.

AMAI does many things that the standard ai cannot attempt.
Below is some example features:

Multiple strategies and picks and chooses what it beleives to be the best choice.
Will speak to you taunting you, or in alliance telling you what it is doing.
An integrated interface to command allied troops using the commander. Give your allied ai orders to attack certain points. Do specific build orders etc. You can even activate a mode where human players do not play and only command there allied ai using the commander to beat each other.
Ai's have different personality profiles making them more lifelike than your standard ai. e.g. One computer opponent may be very aggressive while another is more passive.
Improved path finding abilities and microing skills.
Powerful editing tools that are used by the developers of AMAI. If you want to teach AMAI your own strategies or adapt it to your mod, then you can do so with the AMAI Developer's edition. It has a strategy editor and most of the data AMAI uses can be changed via tables.
Will train neutral Heros and buy items as well as using fountains to correctly heal units.
Can use zepplins to move units around or take units to safty.
Can do general racial strategies e.g. tower rush or millitia expansion techniques to further try and beat you.
Ai that is compatible with all standard ai's / campaign scripts to a degree so that only a few changes are required.
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Yes we do remember :slight_smile:

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Would be great if Blizzard implemented this in Reforged version. Standard AI sucks and its so basic… come on we’re in 2019, i really wish that Blizzard will do something about melee maps AI and upgrade it.

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I looked inside the code of AMAI and it was typecasting strings to numeric identifiers in order to parse text extra fast in JASS. It was crazy and I did not totally understand what it was doing. That behavior was not allowed after the 2009 patch cycle that removed the typecasting and killed a lot of modding efforts.

Lua would bring back the ability to write high performance code like what AMAI was trying to do, I believe. So if we can do lua AI then probably that means Reforged effectively supports AMAI. But we need fan volunteers to port AMAI from AI code to Lua code, then.

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Maybe link the files in case someone here is interested in looking at or porting them?

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hiveworkshop is the source for anything related to custom maps or mods

I think it should be Blizzard job to implement advanced AI in their game. Warcraft 3 was released in 2002 so it must’ve had basic AI, but we’re in 2019 now, if Blizzard want us to pay 30 euro then they should add some extra things like advanced AI into their game. That’s my opinion only, u can disagree :wink:

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Sadly, Blizzard lately have only been disappointing their customers. I fear they’ll try to do what NetEase does to the chinese audience and start charging for community made custom maps. I think that was the biggest incentive for them to make reforged. But we can hope they’ll add all these things we want to the game.

AMAI was phenomenal and i hope blizz improves the default AI

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WoW Classic has been a huge success. Although not as big as BfA, still huge.

Why would you be afraid? SC2 doesn’t have this. Dota2 does have this. Which maps would be sold even?

Also, don’t forget that the WC3 1.26 is alive and well. If Blizzard do agitate their Reforged audience that much, they have a land to emigrate to. Hell, DotA players have all stayed on 1.26.

Yeah, I am DotA player myself and i really prefer Warcraft 3 DotA over DotA 2. Would be even cooler if DotA will come alive after Reforged once again.

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Cannot really happen outside of China due to consumer protection regulations. They trialled custom map partnerships with SC2 and as far as I am aware only 2 maps were ever accepted to the program as far as I am aware. Both were of very high, professional, quality. It is not a feature anyone can use and abuse.

It does for 2 maps which were part of the trial program. One of them was a skin and mode pack (which non-payers could still play as long as the host paid). The other was a turn based RPG.

I just wish that someone from Blizzard will find this topic and consider the better AI… if they havent done it yet of course :smiley:

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i install old version AMAI on DONWLOAD maps and it is worked =)))

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Was it just me or is the Reforged AI better and smarter? I played a big FFA custom game and had a really, really hard time with an insane AI. I built a tower wall as a meatgrinder and kept killing their armies over and over and over for an hour, but they just kept coming. They tried everything. They would fly over their heroes in a zeppelin behind my wall, drop out the heroes, beat the crap out of my interior stuff meanwhile come around the front with a KotG who would be eroding away the trees by casting Force of Nature specifically to wedge open a passage into my base that wasn’t where the towers were, and then they’d run through the wedge with mountain giants and open the wedge wider getting warclubs to bust down the buildings and towers inside my base.

Hard to compare against 1.31 since the AI is well known to be bugged in 1.31.

I would hope that the AI actually is smarter and it is not just bug fixed. As projects like AMAI showed, improving the AI was possible with a reasonable amount of work.

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I googled for “Warcraft 3 AI mod,” hoping other modders have taken up the reins but sadly no dice. I found this page instead.

I do remember AMAI. I used to be a follower of its development back in 2009. I wrote two articles about it. Google for “warcraft 3 amai youtube,” the first link on the resulting page should be mine; it shows me squaring off against the AMAI AI. Those were the days.

I too came here after a Google search.

It’s good that people still remember AMAI. It was a game-changing creation back in the days.

The meta has been changed quite a lot since the Beta patches, and many of the unit references may need to be re-written.

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/advanced-melee-ai.62879/

This is the last of what I could find

StarCraft 2 currently has AIs that perform similarly and already they are working with AlphaGo to create something even more. So Blizzard does have the resources to do it. It’s matter of whether they want to~~~I fear with Reforged’s currently under-funded state, the community will have to find a new hero, if good old Strategy Master is not returning :frowning_face:

Probably should not bump threads, but I’m just posting to confirm that AMAI works in Reforged’s current Beta version

It seems the dev team has reverted most changes related to AI, and with that AMAI no longer has trouble finding references as it did in earlier Beta.

That’s right. An AI mod developed more than 10 years ago still works. This is good news :smiley:

Wait, what the balls? How did you get AMAI to work? Have you posted any online tutorial for how to do this? I thought it used the return bug that was eliminated in 2009?

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