The World of Warcraft Expansion “Burning Crusade” made some major revisions to Draenei lore from Warcraft 3.
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The Draenei are faction of exiled Eredar.
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The “Draenei” encountered in outland are actually the Broken, a group of Draenei who were deformed by a modified version of the same blight that took the Arakkoa’s flight from them.
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The Broken actually look nothing like the “Draenei” we see in WC3, despite being the exact same character in some case, and there’s an ever more deformed faction called the Lost Ones who look like that.
Now, regardless of whether or not you agree with these retcons, they are the current canon.
So, do you think the “Draenei” in WC3 reforged will be Lost Ones calling themselves Draenei, or will they be fixed to look like Broken Draenei and call themselves as such?
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My guess is they will likely be the Lost Ones for the majority of the units, and Akama will appear as the only ‘Broken’ model, based on his TBC look. No proper Draenei will appear in the campaign.
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Draenei of the Warcraft 3 are the lost ones and Akama is also a lost one, so they will stay as Lost Ones, if WoW wants to fix their lore they can change their ‘brokens’.
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Eredar are demonic draenei btw
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Akama is referred to and as the appearance of a Broken in all appearances beyond WC3.
Nope. The name Eredar came first, and the Draenei renamed themselves to distance themselves from their demonic brethren.
All Draenei are Eredar genetically.
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Blizzard have confirmed they will change some of the events in WC3 and Christie Golden already rewrite the story of the Campagin.
in the current WC3 Akama and his allies use the WoW lost ones model,
in WoW Akama is the leader “Chifetain” of the Ashtongue tribe ,
Akama and his people use the Broken Draenei models
so i expect Akama and his tribe use Broken Draenei models (maybe some Lost ones as worker or other units)
and the Lost Ones will be one of the Creeps in Outland maps
btw i have worst question,
is Blizzard gonna change the look of Outland and make it look like WoW Outland ?
that will be really sad to see
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I think that most of the terrain would have to be kept the same since they’re supposed to be swaps of existing tileset. So many maps would break if they went out of their way to change major doodads with something that looks completely different.
But at the same time, it’s hard to say how much they’re planning to deviate. The campaign isn’t following the original very closely, so it’s possible that they would revamp the look of some places like Illidan’s prison or the Black Citadel.
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WoW outland looks the way it does because it’s decaying. It wasn’t as bad durring the WC3 era.
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i wish they keep it the same or it will lose what make it unique from the other maps
but as we see in WoW TBC they changed Outland so much.
some zones like Hellfire Peninsula keep the Original WC3 Ouland theme and Coolors.
Others like Nagrand and Terokkar forest have grss and trees.
and many other type of Zones
Well this is the thing… the term “Lost Ones” is a term used by the non-mutated Draenei to describe the savage tribes of their mutated brethren. But perhaps the Lost Ones themselves don’t consider themselves to be “Lost Ones” as it’s obviously a derogatory term. Maybe the thing that mostly qualifies them as “Lost” is their inability to interact with other races in a normal manner and only know how to kill? In that sense it would not be logical for Akama to call his people Lost Ones for they still didn’t lose their sanity and are still able make logical and diplomatic decisions even though they suffered physical mutations the same as the Lost Ones BUT their minds were not changed enough to qualify as Lost.
Also in TBC, Akama and his tribe have the same look as they do in Wc3 so it would actually be even against the WoW cannon to change them into Broken ones models from WoW.
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As a matter of fact, we know all the lore, the characters don’t. There’s no need to change the dialogs. Akama can still present himself and his people as Draenei and Illidan and co. would still believe it, as they haven’t seen one before. Akama’s model is one of the best in WoW, it would be a blast to see it in reforged, his tribesmen can be a mix of Broken and Lost Ones models, there is no need to be upset about it, most missions in Outland can be done in Hellfire so we won’t miss that tileset. In truth, I’m looking for a couple of bonus missions in Zangarmarsh, Nagrand, Blade’s Edge and Netherstorm. I’m more worried about the Broken Isles, if they replace the Sunken Ruins tileset with that clusterf*ck of Legion, then I’ll be mad.
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she have some good warcraft books like Lord of the Clans and Rise of the Horde but idk why they dont make Chris Metzen the one who created this epic world of warcraft (i dont mean the game 
) rewrite the dialogue of WC3 Reforged.
i think Metzen understand better the World and the concept of Warcraft because he the one who came up with all this cool ideas
Metzen made warcraft story feel like “Game of Thrones” or “Lord of the Rings”
Christie Golden made it feel like one of Marvel Comics with super powers and Demons and Aliens with Spaceships …
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The Legion look was after it had been turned into a massive fel portal to Argus. It wasn’t nearly as fellscared in the WC3 era.
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I’m pretty sure the Super Powers and Demons with Aliens with Spaceships wasn’t her decision. As a writer, her job is to bridge the story elements together, fill in the blanks with dialogue and lore. She isn’t the creative force coming up with those particular ideas, she’s the one giving those forces dialogue. So things like Illidan’s dialogue with Xera or Sylvanas’ personality, that’s her doing.
I would more likely attribute spaceships to the rest of the creative team, like the Creative Director, Afrasiabi.
Also it should be noted that the Game Designers have a lot of sway in final design too. It’s well known that Metzen pushed for having Druids be exclusive to Night Elves as in lore, and keep the Night Elves have gender-exclusive roles, but was out-voted by the design team to make Druids available to Horde and remove the gender-based caste system that they had represented in Warcraft 3.
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Suramar supossedly was a big dome city full with night elves, in TFT they were just a bunch of ruins, that’s the biggest change. If they change the name of the city TO ANY OTHER and keep the tileset intact, then ok, if they even mention that stupid dome it would be a disgrace.
Demonic Eredar are called Man’ari.
Ugh, stupid wow cannon…
Lore solutions:
The Broken: The broken ARE Draenei, hideously deformed but Draenei all the same.
Plus It’s kind of a pain to introduce yourself with “Hello there, I’m a slightly weaker mutant sub-variant of Draenei”.
It’d be like introducing yourself starting with your race, ethnicity, gender and personal preferences, it’d be silly right?
So, there’s some weird skinny looking white people and giant talking sea snakes attacking demons, those demons that you hate in particular…
You say “my people are called draenei help us take back our ancestral homes”
or something among those lines.
The Surumar bubble: …Surumar’s big, they probably just missed it.
lets face it they we’re probably to busy to notice the night elf equivalent of Atlantis…
Even if they did notice it, that’s really not what they came for.
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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Eredar
Seems like you were right after all
