Yes, and all of that was prior to the Broodlord winfestor era.
GomTvT was a thing, I have no problem admitting that terran was strong - and got nerfed - during that era. Between that and poor map design, they won quite a lot. But Broodlord winfestor was late 2011 through 2012 and the end of WoL.
GSL was around under a different name in 2010, and was under sponsored leagues. It came into its own in 2012 though.
Zerg has a really easy time when defending cheeses,just know whats happening,stop holding down the drone key and keep making queens and some units,and done.Queens are the best early defensive unit,they have a fair hpnamount,they hit air with very good range,they can heal,they can spread creep. Roaches?,they are amongst the best early core unit,cheap,decent single hit damage,really good hp.
If you compare Z with the other two races,zerg has it the easiest when defending cheeses,any single mistake or delay will favour the zerg. Cannon rush?,Z can crush it,T can but then there is the tricky void followup which is not easy,and P has problems.Proxy raxes?,easiest for Z,DT?,spores cost 75 can move and require no tech…
you began with bragging about being masters in the first place but you have never give a valid proof and 4k on that account is just not it.
so you mean protoss pros should just retire?
maybe there is a reason we see 50% of zvp being queenwalk in pro scene…
i just realized by now that you are just trolling you seriously cant mean all the things you write. maybe it was a good decision from blizzard to ban your account in the first place. you must have done something really bad.
I didn’t, stop lying to win an argument like a spoiled child.
Here is where you brought it up first. I dont pull rank on people, accounts are free now and I have 4 of my own. Besides that it doesn’t mean anything, you can mass marine or 12 pool to GM, doesn’t make you good.
The funniest part is, now that you know I’m above 4k, you are claiming that 4k isn’t high enough to have an opinion. Even though in this quote you claim that 4k is some arbitrary goal line. Sounds like you are butthurt someone with more experience is telling you how it is in this game.
I watch every GSL and super tournament, etc. There isn’t a 50% winrate with queen walk in zvp in any professional matchup, stop exaggerating and learn how to play.
I KNOW you are a troll, you have no idea how this game works, AT ALL. Lol keep losing to queens kiddo.
Because i looked up the matches you play on nephest and you literally played vs 2.2k ppl and you even lost some. If the other races were so good as you claimed you would easily be at or above your main race. But truth is you are like at 3k maybe.
I actually dont know if you are above 4k or not. I dont think so but i dont really care. I just called out the difference between your main and your offraces. Thats really all and not so hard to understand.
i never said that now i know that you cant even read properly. i should stop exaggerating? but you telling ppl to quit the game if the lose to queenwalks? lmao. queenwalks are a very very common thing nowadays. and you literally say that protoss and terran is the easiest and most broken thing in sc2. but yeah i should stop exaggerating
I dont think so. considering the things you said you know very little about sc2. zerg was never op? cmon
you are just a zerg whiner. and on top of that cant play offrace despite terran and protoss are sooooooooo much better, duh.
Keep changing your story bud, lying really makes your point look valid. Your ignoring my points, because you know you can’t argue against them. Using ridiculous statements like “just 5 min queen walk to win” when that has never happened.
If you are so obsessed with my rank, just look up my main account CerealKiller (m2) thats attached to this account. But you are right, I don’t play much anymore, this is a dead game. I play halo, aoe4, and dota more than this game nowadays. I’m just amazed at the stupidity and narcissism on these forums. Does it really hurt your tiny ego that bad? Go touch grass for gods sake.
Losing to queens is the equivalent to losing to a single DT. CAN it happen? Maybe, if you are trash and never made it out of plat (which is your offrace MMR, since we are pulling rank), but it is unlikely. If you are losing to something so simple consistently, this isn’t the game for you. You don’t get better without watching replays and zerg is by far the most vulnerable race. You are supposed to harass them, and all your units are stronger than theirs by default. Queens only redeeming quality is their cost.
I never claimed protoss are better or easier. If anything terran is by far the easiest, they always have been. It’s like the training wheel race for retarded children. Make 2 widow mines drop or a single battlecruiser early harass, then just macro it out for a win. Hide behind tanks/libs/PF/mines until you are ready to push. Might as well play against AI.
I could teach a monkey to play terran. I mean, you got masters as terran, do I need to say more? You can’t even read or make coherent argument. You would rather pull rank than defend your points, because you a partisan hack who can’t even get out of plat with your off race. Try playing more than 1/3 of the game kid.
You obviously dont have the slightest clue about the current pro Scene. There are many Queenwalk Strats where Queens start to Walk across the Map at 5.
Fastest Queen Walk would be a Variant i See from reynor with Ling Bane Queen.
Why should i Talk to someone that doesnt have an clue about anything. You really deny queenwalks at pro Play ? only because it would Contradict your opinion about building Queens means playing defensively? You Got Problems Mate.
And just to end this stupid discussion: even if we just look at latest gsl st with dark vs zest we see 3 different kind of queenwalks in the first 3 games. In first game a very late queenwalk starting at around 7:30. In the second game he wanted to push out at 6:20 but went back because of oracle only to continue his march at 6:35. Third match the nydus finished at 5:50 and queens popped out. game 4 zest went for adept rush so no queen walk was needed. in game 5 zest nearly went straight carrier. dark could have gone queen walk but decided to go mass corrupter. in game 6 queen walk was possible but dark went for hydra rush. game 7 doesnt matter because it was messy and dark roach rushed anyway because zest took fast gold.
You see…the chances of a queenwalk increases massively if the protoss goes air (and they mostly will). I dont want to say anything about balance with that (other than it is boring for both races) but stating building queens means you need to play defensively is plain garbage. And saying that queenwalks arent a thing just proves that you never watched a pro match for about 1 and a half years.
Oh, are we are calling everything a queen walk? Like when they come out of a nydus? Then I guess by your definition every time we build a queen, it’s a queen walk.
First off, one of them was a nydus which is the opposite of walking… And secondly, NONE of these queen walks ended the game. He actually lost more than he won off them. Wow so strong.
You were so close to here. You almost understand that queens are the only unit zerg has that can shoot up until lair. You are correct that it is boring for both sides. But you’re still wrong that there are a lot of queen walks in the pro scene, and you are even more wrong that they are overpowered or lead to easy wins.
Dark lost the supertournament, and his queens walks led to less than a 33% win ratio. Wow, so overpowered, please nerf blizz.
by your logic zest is now a plat player and should quit sc2. gj mate. its so useless to talk to a zerg whiner. in 6 out of 7 matches dark took the initiative but yeah zerg is the punching bag
Oh yes. The defensive queen that can walk across the map and can be dropped out of dropperlords or nydus worms. So defensive. If i build a queen i NEED to sit in my base for 15 minutes…
Keep denying that queenwalks are a thing in the pro scene. No one cares.
The zerg pro lambo released a tutorial to queenwalk 1 year ago and queens start hitting at 5:20 at the protoss natural:
But yeah. Queenwalks arent a thing. Sure bud. No one used his build. Not even he himself used it. EVER
Come on man, its clear you didnt watch much sc2 pro games recently as the queen walks has been a Zerg response to Void Rays->carriers builds after buffs, and has been quite popular.
To be fair … what else are we going to use minerals for? Zerglings are garbage, so are hydralisks, and there is a point where more roaches does not advance the cause. So yeah, queens is not a bad option. Gotta spawn something right?
No i dont. And pros dont. But i lose (pros lose too) to Bunker rushes Cannon rushes shield battery rushes and spine crawler rushes. They are Defensive structures only. Right? Riiight?
Not gonna mention Proxy or inbase hatches. A Base is for Mining only! No?
Remember the Match where sos won a pro Match vs Bunny in 2020 where He built an inbase Nexus for Offensive Recall? That was a banger but yes thats only an anecdote Here because it really doesnt ever Happen. But bottom Line of this Post is only because some Things were Designed in a way doesnt mean it cant be abused. And Like lambo said If they gonna abuse Stargate then you gonna abuse Queen walks. But who is this lambo Guy really ? Im sure you are better than him.
queen walks are irrelevant nowdays. Do u guys even play the game??? Every protoss is automatically scouting for it and prepared for it at higher mmr. Few batteries with cannons and voidrays and u re done. Queen walks were good strategy when it was new and protoss players didnt know the right response. Now theyre blindly countering it every game. Didnt Dark lose all games against zest where he tried to queen walk?
Im Glad that you finally understood Something. They dont wanna face lategame.
On Low Level thats true. On High Level its Not true. Lambo serral and reynor Said that they have No Problem with lategame zvp but it sucks that you have to do so much more than the Turtle protoss in a guaranteed 30 plus minutes Game and the risk of suddelny Losing is Higher for z than for p. But at least reynor and serral Said they can win vs any protoss consistenly in that Phase. Protoss pros agree.
And Like dark showed (or Like we have Seen many Times) a Queen Walk is Not the only Option. More than 4 voids can be countered hard by Queen walks. Less than 4 voids into quick Carrier can be hard countered by either Hydra rush or corrupter Rush Like we have Seen from dark. Corrupter Rush seems to be the better Option tho.
Nah It so shame to see how mineral dump unit aka queen walk able to hold at least 6 carrier like it nothing do i need remind the cost for at least one carrier? Effort to produce meet basically zerg t1 unit witch zero gas cost so yea let’s double the effort and say protoss must do a few disruptors and sky together just against queen walk