Whoever made skytoss a thing should be ashamed

[MindSpirit-1282]

SkyToss needs a Redisgn asap, it is very unbalanced on lower leagues, and on pro level it looks weird, one persons has to micro perfectly and the other barely micros his skytoss army (kiting is not micro, after 15 years, :D).

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@Eliwan-1354

You have not shown, to any degree, that it is idiotic nor that it is unlikely.

Particularly, does the likelihood matter when it is factually the case?

It doesn’t. But it’s NOT the case.

@Sentry-2358

Why dont you Show a single Argument in your favor ?

I have. YOU haven’t.

By the way, you want another pro opinion that’s super in depth and only like 2 weeks old?

‘https://youtu.be/9jHJ8dC_hjA?t=188’

What can I say, I’m looking forward to finding out how another pro player has no idea what they’re talking about. Or how YOU are the guy who really understands the game lol

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

I have. YOU haven’t.

Nope. I gave you plenty.

Where is the Proof that on average p z and t Players are equally competent ? Where is the Proof that they should be equally competent considering we have a 36% Playerbase for terran and 26% for zerg.

You dont answer for a month and come here Back again with nothing at all.

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@Sentry-2358

You dont answer for a month and come here Back again with nothing at all.

Honestly, I don’t really play SC much any more.

Main reason I stopped responding is because you just ignore all my arguments. You ignored my binomial distribution (likely because you couldn’t grasp it), you ignored the 3 questions I posed. You JUST ignored the 20 minute long, in depth explanation by Lambo and you’re going to keep ignoring the myriad of evidence I provide to protect your little feewings. It is what it is. I’ve stated this a long time, but you’re boring beyond belief.

[Adventurer-16000863]

@llllllllllll-12402

Main reason I stopped responding is because you just ignore all my arguments. You ignored my binomial distribution (likely because you couldn’t grasp it), you ignored the 3 questions I posed

The forums don’t have anyone good to debate with anymore. You should’ve seen some of the debates that happened back in the day:

@tEhbAtZ-1845

The problem with logic is that your premise is always an assumption. To prove your premise you need a larger scope and this goes on for infinity, thus a program would never end and never give you an answer. Saying something is self creating creates the same loop. What created this? This created this. But what created this? This created this. The ultimate goal of logic is to give a program (a system of logic that computes something) an input and have it spit an answer in finite time in every scenario. This is fundamentally impossible, however.

If you ask “What created the universe?” you get this problem. If God created the Universe, then what created God? What created the thing that created God? You are stuck broadening the scope to infinity and you never actually prove anything. If your logic can’t come to a conclusion in finite time, you can’t prove your conclusion is true.

In order for a program to conclude in finite time, it has to make assumptions and that means it won’t always output the right answer for all possible inputs

And:

@tEhbAtZ-1845

Right so I finally see where you are getting tripped up. It is a matter of perspective whether you are speaking from the reference point of being within the system instead of without. From outside the system, whether or not it is unknowable is knowable, but from within the system if a problem can’t be proven as unknowable then you are by definition admitting within that context that it is unknowable. If you are admitting that whether or not it is knowable is unknowable, you’ve created a paradox, hence it is unknowable

The forums these days are filled with the most inane trolls who call you names, like Pee Wee Herman, even though you are practically the polar opposite of pee wee herman so the insult doesn’t even make sense. They can’t debate so they insult instead, and even their insults are disappointing.

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

Main reason I stopped responding is because you just ignore all my arguments

You have No Arguments

@llllllllllll-12402

Honestly, I don’t really play SC much any more.

Why Not ? Terran is realllllyyyy gooood in recent Times.

@llllllllllll-12402

You ignored my binomial distribution (likely because you couldn’t grasp it),

I didnt. I actually explained why its nonsense. But you couldnt grasp it, it seems. I gave you the quote:

@Sentry-2358

“The binomial distribution is used when there are exactly two mutually exclusive outcomes of a trial. These outcomes are appropriately labeled “success” and “failure”.”

@llllllllllll-12402

It is what it is. I’ve stated this a long time, but you’re boring beyond belief.

Said the Guy that simply ignores that you should present some Arguments. Prove that all races have Players that are on average equally skilled despite having big differences in playerbases.

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@Sentry-2358

“The binomial distribution is used when there are exactly two mutually exclusive outcomes of a trial. These outcomes are appropriately labeled “success” and “failure”.”

That was literally your precise argument when you split people in half by MMR… Are you seriously this stupid? This is literally YOUR argument.

I’m starting to think you’re just trolling. No one’s that stupid. I’ve spoken to you and your word choice doesn’t indicate some 70ish IQ or so that you’re presenting. I’m 100% with you that the binomial distribution doesn’t make sense to present as evidence. That’s why I’ve been arguing against it for 3 years…

@llllllllllll-12402

By the way, you want another pro opinion that’s super in depth and only like 2 weeks old?

‘https://youtu.be/9jHJ8dC_hjA?t=188 ’

Literally all the context and recency you could possibly want but you ignore YET ANOTHER interview because it hurts your feelings.

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

That was literally your precise argument when you split people in half by MMR… Are you seriously this stupid? This is literally YOUR argument

This is nothing Like my Argument. With binomial you have a fixed probability of an Event. This has nothing to do with the Point at Hand.

@llllllllllll-12402

I’m starting to think you’re just trolling. No one’s that stupid. I’ve spoken to you and your word choice doesn’t indicate some 70ish IQ or so that you’re presenting. I’m 100

Again. Rather insults that Arguments.

Where do you prove that p z and t are all equally competent despite having a much different Playerbase ?

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@llllllllllll-12402

Again, Neo, do you really think they were able to make balance near perfect at all skill levels EXCEPT the top tier, in spite of literally only focusing on trying to balance that?!

Since we’re talking about dodging questions, does this not seem unlikely?

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@Sentry-2358

Silver terrans play as few games as the other races. Seems fair that they are in silver, no?

Did you or did you not argue for years that activity was a useless metric?

@llllllllllll-12402

It’s YOUR question. Why am I held to the standards of answering your questions when you aren’t even able to answer your own?

If average results don’t matter for 40,000 people, why on earth should they matter for 4?

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@llllllllllll-12402

By the way, you want another pro opinion that’s super in depth and only like 2 weeks old?

‘https://youtu.be/9jHJ8dC_hjA?t=188 ’

Literally all the context and recency you could possibly want but you ignore YET ANOTHER interview because it hurts your feelings.

Keep dodging there, Neo.

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

Keep dodging there

There is no Word about how p t and z Players are equally competent

[llllllllllll-12402]

He literally said that Protoss being the by and far easiest race isn’t even a controversial statement. At least acknowledge that.

Now move on to telling me how that’s not really what he meant or that he doesn’t understand the game the way you do.

[Sentry-2358]

Please come Up with Proof that all t p and z Players are on average equally competent.

[llllllllllll-12402]

HAHAHHAHA! You’re literally incapable of answering any questions. Just admit you lost… Jesus man.

“Just prove something that’s literally impossible to prove.” All I have is likelihoods and that’s all that’s remotely possible to prove.

Go watch the video and stop dodging the last 180 questions that you have been refusing to answer for like a year.

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

“Just prove something that’s literally impossible to prove.”

Then dont make Statements Impossible to Claim.

It is your claim that AVG mmr Matters. It only can Matter If you Back it Up.

Now you basically have admit that your Point is lost because its Impossible to prove. Thank you. You finally did it. Im proud of you.

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@Sentry-2358

Then dont make Statements Impossible to Claim.

I have always used terms like “likely” and “indicate.” You’re really grasping at straws to avoid watching and commenting on the new video aren’t you? It’s telling you what you’ve always already known, man. Just accept it.

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

You’re really grasping at straws to avoid watching and commenting on the new video aren’t you?

Where lambo says protoss is easier after the First couple of leagues ? Meaning He basically says that terran floods those leagues Not because its too difficult and t is simply easier to Play? Do you mean that Part ?

@llllllllllll-12402

I have always used terms like “likely” and “indicate.”

Nope Not at all. You never considered that AVG mmr would be a rather Bad Take. Its obviously a very Bad Take after all i presented you. Playerbase of 36% for terran to 26% for zerg. Terran being Standard RTS factions, being the campaign Race, where Most of the Story revolves around being the human Race and so on but even after all that you say: hey maybe AVG mmr Matters

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@Sentry-2358

Where lambo says protoss is easier after the First couple of leagues ? Meaning He basically says that terran floods those leagues Not because its too difficult and t is simply easier to Play? Do you mean that Part ?

“…Protoss is easier to play. I think this is not even controversial. That’s just the way it is. Protoss is easier to play…”

Sentry he means that Terran is easier to play! Protoss is easier after the first couple of leagues? Please link the time stamp to where he said “after the first couple of leagues.” Or did he just say “Protoss is easier?”

HAHAHAHHAAHHA!! Okay, so yeah. You’re trolling me.

[guyzamiester-1851]

I think we figured this out in the other thread. At its most basic, Marines vs. Zealots is heavily skill dependant for the Marine. Its the same with Disruptors. Protoss doesn’t scale with APM as well as Terran does. Any pro player will find the game more balanced, remember these people earn good money. For the average player, these melee units are overtuned, because kiting is hard.

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

Sentry he means that Terran is easier to play! Protoss is easier after the first couple of leagues? Please link the time stamp to where he said “after the first couple of leagues.” Or did he just say “Protoss is easier?”

But he says that protoss is easier only after the first couple of leagues? This is literally your video you gave me. Its literally the quote you are using but you are leaving out the first part of the sentence. The first part of the sentence is “after the first couple of ranks”.

This is literally your timestamp. He says “after the first couple of ranks protoss is easier to play, i think this is not even a controversial statement”

But i think your brain is so used to spouting information out of context, that you didnt even realize what he said exactly.

Jesus. You need some help it seems. You dont even understand the things you are giving me.

[guyzamiester-1851]

I watched the video, Lambo is referring to the highest ranks, not the lowest. He means that underneath GM #1 and #2, not above bronze and silver lol.

I also think I know why you find T easy. You are probably much better than most people here. T rewards gifted players more than P, due to kiting and APM requirements.

Off-topic: do you stream or anything?