You realize i dont actually believe what im saying. Im Just mocking Bourne and mess with him. He is Stating only 1 Guy for each race could Go lategame vs toss (total Bs) but cannot counter my Point mocking him that No protoss in the Last 6 years was Close to be a Maru or serral.
If Bourne was a protoss He would cry day and night about protoss being the hardest Race because they really dont Perform Well at top 5
TBH I wasnât sure if that was the case; tone doesnât translate well over text sometimes, so I responded because I wasnât certain, more than anything.
Gotta love the alt accounts trying to save face by having ânormalâ conversation. Notice how their behavior starkly changes right after being called out. One second they are harassing a dude, upvoting themselves, next moment they are trying to make casual conversation about baldurâs gate, pretending to add one another on discord, and magically they stop mass upvoting themselves. Oh and notice how they are now putting effort into appearing different, displaying different opinions for example, while before they were busy circle jerking. And why are they still conversing here, since they just added one another on discord? XD this trolling is just so bad, itâs unreal.
Battle.net needs anti-bot features just like reddit. If two accounts log in from the same IP, they need to auto ban like reddit does. If two accounts donât interact in an organic manner, such as constantly upvoting themselves but nobody else, then they should be banned, like reddit does. Thereâs ways to detect this nonsense, itâs a wonder why bnet doesnât have it.
Oh another way to detect bots is low-effort content. It takes a lot of effort to communicate, like this post as an example took about 10 minutes, so to put that kind of authenticity into a bot account takes too much effort. If you have 5 accounts, thatâs 50 minutes of time per round of posts. So the bots put in low effort, short replies, that are really shallow, lacking unique personality, and usually are aimed at attacking a genuine poster. These bots have all those markers except Eliwan, which is probably his high-effort account.
Miro is a bit of an outlier, I suppose, since he is willing to admit pro level protoss do actually play poorly, which is a remarkable amount of clarity that the other accounts donât share. But then again he constantly upvotes the other bots, so itâs kinda a toss up. Itâs hard to say on that one, but there is a 100% chance abs, sentry, eliwan, and kelthar are the same guy.
This is what made Goba such a legendary troll, by the way, because heâd put effort into making each of his alt accounts have a different personality. And, unlike these cringe trolls, he was actually really funny. I still remember his post about Pistoleros. Funny as heck. Man, I miss those days. The forums were actually funny. Nowadays itâs cringelords spitting insults in all directions. What a shame.
Got you. You actually believe Terran is the hardest race, you just want to mock me. Okay, we can end the conversation there. It takes a big man to realize that heâs wrong.
While we may share some opinions, that doesnât mean we agree on everything.
Iâve stated it many times at this point; I have exactly one alt account. Itâs also called Miro, because it was ported over to NA, from SEA, when the SEA servers closed. I almost never use it.
You claiming everyone is an alt of everyone else just makes you look stupid. Then again, you havenât exactly needed help doing that in the past.
I am simply practically minded. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it just may be a duck. If someone upvotes an account, has the same opinion as an account, defends the other account, then, well, it must be the same person. So if you go around egging on trolls then donât be surprised when someone concludes youâre a troll. And no, thatâs not a stupid opinion, itâs a completely rational opinion, youâre just trying to justify your position to your own conscience. You upvoted some people who are terrible people, it looks kinda bad, but thatâs not your fault, itâs my fault for noticing. Mmmkay.
I love that it is literally incomprehensible to you that multiple people might agree with each other on the internet.
Oh please, you played wingman for nomufftotuff/anesthetic way back when and when called on it back then you invoked the same defense âweâre just friends, etcâ. I have a very hard time believe you could make friends. Thatâs the fundamental reason I think you are the same accounts. I have never, in my entire life, met anyone as anti social as the people here, in this thread. So I either have to accept that there are many anti social people, or just one on multiple accounts. Anti social people donât agree with other people, even people they agree with, because they disagree for the sake of disagreeing, so when a bunch of anti social accounts magically agree with nobody but themselves itâs obviously a troll account dude.
I am pretty well convinced Miro isnât in the cluster, itâs kinda messed up he got hit with the cross fire. But thatâs exactly your goal as a troll is to create chaos and confusion.
âMy conclusion doesnât fit the evidence, but I donât want to believe the alternative, so Iâll stick with the one I know is wrong.â
Riiiight.
I mean, I know Kelthar; Iâve spoken to him in the past a few times before as Iâve already stated, though again I donât have him on my friends list or discord anymore for reasons already previously mentioned.
Eliwan, Kelthar, and Sentry are all absolutely different people, and all of them have very distinct posting styles. And while I havenât verbally spoken to either Eliwan or Sentry before (at least not to memory), Iâm pretty certain they arenât the same person, through all the interactions Iâve had with both over the years. Frankly Iâd be surprised if they were.
I donât think this is particularly relevant one way or the other, though.
The grandmaster population - relative to the tournament population - is gigantic, an entire twenty-five times larger iirc.
Thatâs entirely not what was said though? Youâre sticking words in Sentryâs mouth here.
a. Why do you call us anti-social?
b. Consider the plausibility that weâre not anti-social.
c. lol, did you know that most peopleâs friends have more friends than they do? of course you havenât me ta lot of anti-social people theyâre anti-social!
This is absolutely not the case and you know it?
You cannot be that dumb and dense.
Anyway, what this proves to me is that you are Batz. Why?
I was actually going to dig out quotes but your profile is hidden so I canât, but you listed some traits - the only one I remember being about needing to edit posts dozens of times - something you do all the time. :thumbsup!:
Since I was flicking up and read this; because nobodyâs sent me a friend request on anything yet, iâm so lonely
or maybe my battlenet broke again it does that all the time
You actively engage in cyber bullying, lmao. What on earth. I am speechless. You are so anti social you donât even know it. You canât even conceive of how normal people act and contrast it against how you act. Omega red flag. Well, this conversation is a waste of time. Canât argue with crazy.
Iâm a grown man, but imagine if you did this to a 14 year old girl. It would destroy them. I am a big advocate for real ID laws. You should have to post on the internet using your real face. Situations like this are exactly why itâs needed. I hope with Trump as president, and a super majority on the supreme court, we can finally enact some internet reformation laws to fix these issues.
Laughable. Just laughable. Batz supporting real id laws? Youâre living in another dimension.
Batz gets caught admitting he just wants to stalk people IRL.
This is the person youâre ganging up with. He takes a post about reforming the internet to eliminate cyber bullying and uses it to accuse me of wanting to stalk people. You take issue with me, and not him. Thatâs exactly why I think the people on these boards are anti social. Do you want to convince me youâre not the same person? Hereâs your chance. Go for it.
Iâd add you; but the Bnet site broke. 404 page not found when I try to go to your profile on the website.
Miro#2234 is my Bnet.
You know, condemning cyber bullying should be an easy one. And if you didnât mean to engage in cyber bullying, itâs very easy to apologize for the misunderstanding. But itâs been 3 months since you introduced yourself by lying about me, and youâre still playing dumb and saying âI dunno why you think I am trollâ as you actively egg on trolls who harass me.
Let me be clear, we couldâve buried the hatchet months ago with a simple apology and put it in the past, but you keep doubling and tripling down, and defending people who are trolling me. At a certain point, it starts to look like youâre alt account for these trolls. There is a chance that you arenât an alt account, but the more this goes on the more I am convinced it isnât the case. It would be so easy to fix this with a simple âWe got off on the wrong footâ but you keep siding with the trolls, for months. You keep taking the adversarial route, for months. You keep egging on these absolutely horrible people who do nothing but lie and troll, for months. This is the last chance before I permanently make up my mind and block & ignore you for good, like Iâve done with countless other trolls.
Your definition of bullying does not line up with mine.
⊠and it seems like youâre falsely equating âbeing a bullyâ with âbeing anti socialâ which is simply not how that works? I have to assume youâve never been bullied which is a good thing but itâs left you not understanding this.
I have reread that and a few posts up - I stand by it. Nothing I said there is lying.
A player can be good at PvZ and bad at PvP. Youâre completely discounting this as a possibility, with no reason or evidence.
The second part of this - where you refuse to acknowledge something as possible - is something that you do continually and have done in this very thread.
Like most of your posts, youâre saying something thatâs complete nonsense and pointless.
For this I think itâs more clear from the follow up comment that was half-on screen, the tldr from the bottom of it provides a reasonable summary:
Here, you assert something as definitively the case off of a single additional example. That example is an event that you, yourself, state has a reasonable (over 5%!) chance of happening. Have you never played XCOM? Rogue? Warcraft? Old League? Any game of Fire Emblem? Or Battle Network? Pokémon? Magic the Gathering? Yu-Gi-Oh!? Tales of? Have you not done science by way of experimentation and logging? When you do an experiment one time do you call it done? No.
You completely discount the possibility that Stats is better at PvZ than Dark is at ZvP (two variables), that Statsâ weakness (ie. why MMR is low) is only because of early-game, you assume that youâve correctly identified this single thing as the primary source of an issue, you assume that issue exists, you ignore the simple fact that one in tens happen.
If we assume that everything you posted is true and correct, then, what, thereâs an 11% chance youâre correct and that Protoss is imbalanced, since thatâs the difference between the proposal and the measured reality? ie. We only care for the games that Stats would have won if the game was actually imbalanced, so not the 24% of games that Stats inherently should win nor the 65% of games that Dark should win even with the modification.
No, reading that back over, thatâs not right; but Iâm not interested in figuring out the right way to figure that. Iâm not a mathematician.
âA deliberately offensive or provocative post, with aim of upsetting or eliciting an angry response.â
Yes, I donât know why you think Iâm trolling you; because I am not trying to do either of these things.
Rather, let me make it abundantly clear: I think you have wrapped yourself in a blanket of illusions and dreamt grandeur because your life sucks. Unlike Marche, Iâm in favour of escapism, but it remains true that too much of it isnât healthy.
I canât believe Iâm breaking this to you, but theyâre not trolling you.
They just arenât. Thatâs not at all whatâs happening.
You are calling people that I respect, who have logical arguments, trolls? I know them more than you, and you like to present points in hard to understand ways â but much more, you constantly made massive tangents about irrelevant things that were simply annoying to read and were full of self-aggrandizement, posting the same thing over and over, continually violating the code of conduct?
I owe you no apologies for calling out behaviours that weaken your analysis nor for being upset towards you individually for having choosen to not follow rules. The interaction weâve had didnât start bad because of a faux pas, itâs entirely because of who you are presenting as. I donât like that person.
Debates tend to involve opposing positions, yes.
You call them horrible and trolls, and yet, they are much more reasonable and able to be talked to and engaged with conversation than you.
Instead of blocking and ignoring the people who are actually interested in using the forum, why donât you just leave? Youâve said repeatedly you can make money elsewhere, and that you enjoy your time more elsewhere, so why are you here?
There you have it, ladies and gents: Kelthar/abs style trolling. Brazen lies that can be easily fact checked with 2 minutes of reading:
Eliwan makes three claims: 1) a player can have PvP performance different than PvZ sufficient to explain a GSL match, 2) I am completely discounting the possibility of #1, and 3) there is no reason nor evidence for my argument. Those are the three claims.
In the post Eliwan is responding to I point out the correlation between matchup rankings for a singular person is very high, I estimate it to be around 0.97 but itâs closer to 0.9, which definitively falsifies #1, definitively falsifies #2, and definitively falsifies #3. If the correlation between PvP and PvZ is 0.91, then Statsâ PvZ could be +/- 6200*(1.0-0.91) which is 6200 +/- 558 mmrÂč. Remember, Stats beat a guy 800 mmr higher. Variability in matchup performance cannot explain that result, and I pointed that out. Source: https://i.imgur.com/lxxutME.png
I also link to two other posts (1, 2) which provide further analysis. In one, I calculate balance metrics via Grandmaster win-rates which showed protoss is strongest. If Protoss have a balance advantage, thatâs a strong reason to suspect balance impacted Stats v Dark. Again, this definitively falsifies Eliwanâs first claim, definitively falsifies second claim, and definitively falsifies the third.
In the second post, I list a secondary way to calculate the same metric and found identical results. Each post had data and sources. Eliwan has now rebuffed that lie again. This is exactly how Kelthar and Abs troll the forums. They will brazenly lie to your face over something that can easily be fact checked. Eliwan=kelthar=abs=goba. Thus it is proved.
As always, sources, sources, sources. I consider the possibility that players performance varies between matches, and absolutely dismantle the argument here:
Eliwan immediately responds:
Three brazen lies: 1) PvZ can be sufficiently different from PvP to explain Statsâ performance in the gsl, 2) I have not considered the possibility of #1, and 3) I have no evidence or reason.
As you can see, these are brazen lies with reckless disregard for the truth, and Eliwan has doubled-down on them 3 months later. This is kelthar style trolling to the T. #3 in particular is a rather egregious lie. No evidence? Really? You consider THIS no evidence:
Continuing the discussion from Fix MMR range for Toss and Zerg:
This is what âno evidenceâ looks like, ladies and gents. Lmao.
Goba, itâs hilarious that you convinced bourne that you were a chick. But that would never work on me. You know I am too smart for that, man.
Nope. I Just use the Same Arguments you make but for protoss. Turns Out, you cant Argue with that 
I got Masters easily with terran and zerg and have shown it. In my experience the races arent really different in difficulty at least until top 2%
I guess it Just makes a difference for top 100 or so But i wasnt near that Level so i cant Tell
Iâve been ignoring you for months, but you kept spamming me via abs and other accounts and upvoting yourself. Frankly it was getting annoying but itâs clearly a cry for help.
I am offering free therapy to neurotic nerds who canât socialize and have severe mental health issues. Community service is a very large part of my culture. You have severe issues. I can spot them from miles away. You would rather vehemently attack me, personally, than admit you made a mistake. You either didnât notice or didnât understand that I had provided proof of my claims, and then you said I didnât. Aka, you lied. And then you double and tripled down on the lie. That was embarrassing for you. It would be embarrassing for anyone. The issue is that you would rather attack and demean others, and play the victim yourself, than admit to a very basic and, frankly understandable, mistake. You have a classic case of narcissism.
You think you are so important that you can do whatever it is you want, and you are justified in doing it (righteous in doing it, even) but if someone says protoss is overpowered, well, thatâs a crime that deserves maximum punishment. Translation, you give yourself broad leniency to do anything, including things that are cruel, and you give others no leniency at all. So I am here to help you. The first step towards fixing the issue is getting you to admit you are attacking me in order to cover up a mistake that you made. Youâve never had someone assertively confront you like this, so you donât know how to handle it, and so youâd rather demonize me than admit you made a mistake. After all, if I am such a bad person then youâre justified to treat me this way. Thatâs the way it works in your mind. Once you are able to admit the problem, we can move on from there. Frankly, itâs quite difficult to get you to admit it. I can link you to where you lied, and you will look me in the eye and lie again that you didnât lie. Thatâs a crazy level of denial right there, my man. And, for what? Because you donât want to admit I was right about Protoss having an advantage? Itâs a video game. Itâs not worth that much space in your mind.
I know at the end of the day you will log into 10 different accounts & spam reports on my account & pray the moderator bans me, and they might. Doing the right thing is hard sometimes. Iâve come to terms with it. And frankly if they did ban me, Iâd lose nothing of value. The only reason I am here is to help the nerds in need, while talking some smack about balance. If I couldnât post tomorrow, I wouldnât shed a single tear. Nothing of value lost. Do you think I enjoy being spammed by you from 5 accounts? Not a chance. Frankly youâd absolve me from my sense of duty and need to help other people. I can wash my hands of it and say âI tried, but I was banned.â