To all the APM=Skill deniers

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IMO you have to understand that EU has a very particular political leaning (auth-left) and given he plays video games for a living almost guarantees he would bust a gasket seeing a “Blowko” account posting red pills especially on the subject of employment (I am guessing it’s a sensitive topic for streamers who worry they might have to get a real job some day). He went as far as calling it “racist” in his video (lol).

When talking about the auth-left fascism in EU, I’m talking about societies who throw people in jail for “offensive” facebook posts. Apparently they haven’t learned tolerance towards other people and other peoples’ ideas and respect for their life-experiences which have shaped their ideas. You can be arrested for wrong-think basically in some places in the EU. In my childhood it was drilled into my brain “sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me!”.

These kinds of people are wound so tight they’re like a ticking time-bomb ready to blow the moment someone discusses a topic they don’t like. If you are talking on a public platform there is basically a 100% chance someone out there will be offended no matter the topic. It’s a weakness - if you wear your emotions on your chest then basically anyone who wants to can easily have control over you. Pushing your buttons becomes way too easy and some text somewhere is bound to trigger you eventually.

The EU needs a big dose of tolerance towards other people and respect for their life experiences and beliefs. It is mind blowing that there are people out there who feel so entitled they think the rest of the world has to walk on eggshells just for them.

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This is the second time I have read about Neuro acting badly. As someone who has followed him for years on twitch. I have not once seen him act any different, I would really like some evidence, even if it is anecdotal, of when this happened, because it is extremely uncharacteristic of him. Until then I will keep assuming it is simply a forum cry for attention. The most I have seen is him being sarcastic against rude opponents.

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Let’s not judge what eu’s need to do because if we have to speak about America… as much as the ‘country of unlimited opportunities’ is seen as the best place to be and dream, and people violently line up for green cards… I already know people who preferred and went to Canada or as far as Australia/NZ. Makes me think twice too…

So do not be so hypocritical… especially with such limited knowledge about anything outside NA. Maybe there is a sign of fascism today in Europe, you see it when leaders today become a bit more nationalistic than say few decades ago. But so did Trump. He wanted to do the same.

But don’t talk what you can get here … when in NA. I facepalm at the :snowflake: laws. No dude you got it wrong, we do not consider The Court as a 2nd hobby to have necessity to sue each other for almost everything. Even the avilo case is some example. Though not the best example maybe some can give better ones.

The way ‘Harassment’, ‘Threat’, ‘Sexual’ are flipped in the US is frightening. Some days ago a guy gave an example how you can get the SWAT team in your house because you used THE WRONG KEY WORD.

A colleague working for Facebook told me when instructed what things are considered ‘harassment’ including ‘sexual’, I suppose you should not even look at a colleague of the same or opposite gender in any way than a complete neutrality… FORBID it to be anything else.

Kiss? My gosh go to jail! Etc etc

dont talk because your system is so flawed… basically it is one schizophrenic system. But partially I see why - You like guns want to keep the gun laws, you need psychologists, psychiatrists, not that much needed here.

It is mind blowing that there are people out there who feel so entitled they think the rest of the world has to walk on eggshells just for them.

This is the cringeworthy NA’s Im talking about, the ones that consider them center of the planet and the universe, others do not need to exist. Now make yourself a clown and be spectacular like some streamers. Frankly I dont see Lowko as anything than a calm guy, I find his attitude more polite and cooler than some:

it is not Avilo, Mccanning. Incontrol had similar attitude. No Incontrol was cooler and not clowning with pride, Mccaning is kind of annoying at NW for example, #Protoss

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Batz is absolutely delusional and is only posting this crap for attention.

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I’m sure there is nothing wrong with him, I too watch him, and I never noticed anything strange except the random sarcastic/funny remark after some BM, he roleplays but it’s not a Dr. Jekill and Mr.Hide thing, I guess he likes acting and having fun, some day I watched him streaming dungeons and dragons and people were having a blast with his acting.
This video is 6 years old, we can see that he is still the same guy, so he is really a nice dude or the greatest actor ever which is not exactly bad because nobody can say anything bad about him.

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The word you are looking for is “litigious”. Wars aren’t won with guns and bullets anymore. They’re won with money, influence, and the law.

It peaked and it’s coming down. The main problem was in college universities. They’ve overplayed their hand and are facing monstrous backlash. A great example was the University of Colorado losing a lawsuit vs a baker (sued for tortuous interference with a contract, I believe). People are also waking up that A) college isn’t worth anywhere near what they claim it is worth and B) having a degree doesn’t make you smart (in fact many of the professors are profoundly unintelligent) and C) there are cheaper alternatives (youtube, certifications, etc). It’s just another instance of the free market in action.

I am not aware of any cases in the US where someone has been arrested for exercising their first amendment rights. Meanwhile in the EU:

Meechan received press coverage when he posted a satirical video as his girlfriend mentioned how cute her dog was, so he made a video where he “would turn him into the least cute thing that I could think of, which is a ****”.[2] The video showed him teaching his girlfriend’s dog how to raise its paw in the manner of a **** salute … Meechan was arrested and convicted of being “grossly offensive” under the Communications Act 2003, following a trial in March 2018

Imagine thinking the guy who did the biggest regulation cuts since the 1980’s was a “fascist” lmao. Fascism by definition requires strict control over the economy.

The real fascists are the media companies who are given far too robust legal protections to the point they can do literally anything they want. They booted DRUMPF from social media but he is the fascist? You know, the people who don’t actually support free speech and will ban anything they personally disagree with - the pink-haired twitter moderators who get to not only choose what you can talk about, but who are playing “big doctor” and “big scientists” and deciding what even doctors/scientists say and limiting peoples access to critical information. But yeah, DRUMPF was the fascist. Nice “logic.” DRUMPF is the first person to stand up to the growing fascism since it began in the early 2000’s.

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What happened when he used to stream shirtless? Did he get in trouble with Twitch?

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Imagine not knowing that corr(X0, X1) = 1 ∴ corr(X0, X2) = 0 || corr(X1, X2) = 0 : X1=X0*X2 then calling someone else delusional.

The correlation between APM and MMR is so close to 1 that no other variable can affect MMR given that any variable that does affect MMR MUST be conjoined which by definition requires APM to have a correlation less than 1. It’s not possible for a conjoined variable to exist with a correlation of 0. Since APM has a correlation of near 1, it has at least 500x more impact on MMR than any other variable.

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LOL, this clown now is an expert in political doctrines and history. Fascism for educating this uneducated american is a political doctrine created and implemented by Mussolini where a big contribution was given by the philosopher Giovanni Gentile.
Though the economy was not the laissez-faire capitalism or casino-capitalism of the current degenerate West, it still was in private hands.
Big part in the Italian fiasco militarily in the WW2 is precisely because the economy was not controlled strictly causing waste and corruption.

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Dirigisme isn’t private enterprise by a long shot. It’s basically socialism with a capitalist veneer. Fascism was born in EU and it never died out. They still practice many aspects of it. The fact that Count Dankula can be arrested for making a meme with his dog is a perfect example of it. The ultra-fascists in EU had very strict control over the flow of information and did not allow anything to circulate that was against their vision. In fact Hitler’s control over the media was a large part of his “success”. So when police show up to arrest a dude posting a meme, they’re definitely still practicing elements of fascism.

That same fascism is growing even in America and it’s gained so much power that they can ban even the President of the United States. It’s mostly hopping across the boarder from EU in the form of ultra-left “woke” politics - they push fascist policies on the basis of equality and class division (class division was strongly utilized by Hitler and the other ultra-fascists, too).

But since Twitter’s stock is tanking (they lost 5 billion from banning Trump, and have recently lost tons of users), America’s free market still remains more powerful than the fascists in America. That’s what’s so beautiful about free-market economics: every dollar you spend is a vote you cast. I’m not confident EU’s market is large enough to be that robust. You can get small pockets of fascism that are hard to displace.

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:man_facepalming: :man_facepalming: :man_facepalming:
You have learnes the political doctrines via Hollywood or from some US-based videogames?
You mixed here Nacional-Socialism with Communism.
Class warfare is a Marxist thing.

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Nope. Class warfare is how the fascists implemented their dirigistic economic policies. Basically the companies that catered to the whims of the state were given funding and protection from class revolution. Obviously you need the constant threat of class revolution to force powerful corporations into submission, ergo class division.

This is simply a more honest version of socialism. Socialism can’t ever eliminate inequality because then there is no more need for socialism. So the people in power have to have a perpetual state of inequality to maintain their power. The fascists understood this and were simply more honest about it. They said that class division/struggle is a useful part of society and used it to accomplish their goals. Socialists do the same thing, but they pretend that it’s bad and that they are trying to get rid of it.

Capitalism is a much better solution. Obviously the product that makes the most money is the product that the most people can buy. The product that most people will buy will be the cheapest product. Thus the corporations are strongly incentivized to cater to the needs and wants of even the lowest class individuals. That’s how you get $1 cheeseburgers at a drive-through window with tap-and-pay credit cards. The corporations are benefited with wealth and the lower classes are benefited with low cost and ever improving selection of goods and services.

My father grew up using a nail and a hammer. The only power tool he owned was a single table saw. Now I own a table saw, miter saw, two planers, a circular saw, jig saw, 6 sanders, 4 power drills (impact, hammer, tension, plain), and the list goes on and on. Capitalism is the greatest invention mankind has ever conceived of.

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You really believe those stupidities or it’s a troll post? I guess all your political knowledge is a mishmash of Shapiro combined with Peterson…

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Just curious, how did you show this for arbitrary rvs X0, X2?

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The variance of X0/X2 doesn’t matter since they are standardized ((Xi - u) / o). If two variables are conjoined (which they must be if they both affect MMR) then their total correlation with the dependent variable must equal 1. Since APM and MMR correlate at near 1, no other variable can be conjoined with APM.

Other variables can be dependent on APM in which case they can correlate with both MMR and APM, however, to show a distinguishable category of skill it can’t correlate with APM. So if a variable exists that correlates with both APM and MMR then it’s a sub-category of “APM”.

A distinguishable category of skill must correlate with near 0 to APM while also affecting MMR, meaning APM’s correlation with MMR must be lower than 1. But it isn’t so APM the vast majority of skill in SC2.

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It’s pretty easy to understand if you look at how ranking algorithms work. A ranking algorithm maps your average win-rate vs an average opponent to a number. So any skill that changes a win-rate will create a proportional change in MMR. It’s just another way of representing a win-rate. The question is then how the dimensions of skill integrate to affect a win-rate.

It stands to reason that skills will be normally distributed. How a skill will impact a win-rate will depend on how big of a gap there is between them and an average opponent. Therefore a win-rate across one slice of the skill dimensions would be:

Rn = 0.5 * (1.0 + erf((Xn - Un) / (On * sqrt(2)))

If skill is multi-dimensional, it must be combined:

Uall = U0 + U1 …
Oall = sqrt(O0^2 + O1^2 …)
Xall = X0 + X1 …
Rall = 0.5 * (1.0 + erf((Xall - Uall) / (Oall * sqrt(2)))

Since these are standardized N(0, 1) this simplifies to:

Uall = 0.5 * N
Oall = sqrt(N)
Where N = number of dimensions of skill

Example:

N = 2 (APM + knowledge)
Uall = 0.5 * 2 = 1
Oall = sqrt(2) = 1.41
Xall = 0.5 (average apm) + 1.0 (GOD-tier knowledge)
Rall = 0.5 * (1.0 + erf((Xall - Uall) / (Oall * sqrt(2)))
Rall = 0.6381644657935736067716.

So if you have average APM but GOD-tier game knowledge, you will have a 64% win-rate vs an opponent who is average in both APM and knowledge. The implications of this are obvious: The only time corr(Xapm, MMR) = 1 is when N=1.

To calculate a win-rate vs an arbitrary opponent (rather than vs an average opponent):

Uvs = Uall0 - Uall1
Ovs = sqrt(Oall0^2 + Oall1^2)
Xvs = Xall0 - Xall1
Rvs = 0.5 * (1.0 + erf((Xall - Uall) / (Oall * sqrt(2)))

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Well you haven’t watched him enough. He does the multi personality thing probably to get more viewers. Ask Playa, he’s seen it.

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It’s almost embarrassing how little I watch, in regards to streams. At least historically. A part of why I’m actually the guy creating “everything,” probably has something to do with I also don’t watch SC 2, lol.

So, in regards to Neuro, I’ve never seen him “acting badly.” I’ve never even seen someone give him grief outside of one time. Some guy was like making fun of his hair and telling him to get a haircut. Outside of that, his personality is just too “nice guy” to ever really get any grief or probably deserve it.

That said… I gotta be the guy, and there is some white privilege going on. If anything, he’s been getting worse at SC 2, year after year. He does have multiple personalities. I don’t know why you think he’s doing it for views. Who wants to pretend they’re crazy and risk actually becoming crazy? There’s clearly something different about him, in my view.

As someone who wrote a book kinda dealing with improving and, well, everything else, I was just kinda curious as to how he seemed to so easily market it. On one hand, at least in regards to BW, I improved at a rate that isn’t really believable, at least in a time span sense, regardless of highest peak or not… Yet, it’s still one of those things where it’s like I dunno… not really feeling marketing anything.

So, I tuned into his stream one day to just kinda get a better idea of “how he worked” and how it added up, and by the “grace of god,” he was in the midst of talking to himself, unbeknownst to me. He was thanking himself, calling the other personality a different name (he has nine different personalities/names, so he says) for handling the marketing.

I’m looking at chat and it’s as normal as can be. I just assumed he was thanking a friend in chat until he elaborated on what was going on and talked about how he needed different personalities to accomplish things that he, himself, couldn’t “do himself.”

This is the scene we have. I’m not allowed credit for builds or positive sentiments outside of, every now and then, maybe someone says I’m entertaining or humorous. Meanwhile… everyone else is a genius and Neuro is self appointed MENTAL COACH of SC 2.

I just find it fascinating for a few reasons. If he weren’t just a white nerd, he could very well be placed in a mental institution or something, for that alone. Absolutely not going to be a mental coach of anything. But, that aside… being results oriented, you have to ask the question. What are the pros and cons? Is this method of going about things actually benefiting him greatly? Where’s the tradeoff if your perception doesn’t take a hit?

I just find it interesting to ponder that maybe he should be the mental coach. If so, I just think it’s something you should probably be open about. It’s kinda like playing women’s sports, yet not giving away the secret of actually being a man. It’s kinda important, even if it’s 2021 where we act like both genders are the same in every way…

All that aside, I’ve never seen Neuro be anything but mannered towards me and everyone else, for that matter. If we call him a bad guy, gotta call everyone a bad guy, more or less. That said, I don’t watch streams much. I’m sure he’s an interesting guy given the above. I’d be interested in hearing other interesting things he has done…

I always thought there was something different about him the second I heard him talking about the poker book he read and how it changed his life. He 100% took that poker book to heart and like hasn’t gotten mad at anything, visibly, since then. That’s not normal lol. I think people need to remember, whether something resonates with you or not, anyone can write a book. They’re just as fallible as you. They’re not like gods bestowing ancient secrets or something.

I actually don’t agree with his stance on balance. A big part of the reason behind every build I create is my anger with a perceived imbalance or my focus on solving a problem. I’m not spending any time congratulating my opponent for being an amazing human being or anything, you know. At some point, you’re going to appreciate your opponent’s abilities to such a degree that it’s like “golly gee, what could I do… he played perfectly…”

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Thought we already agreed that all streamers are psychotics, to be able to stream in the first place. So he’s already crazy, doesn’t have to worry about that.

Haha ya I remember you telling me this before. The thing is, by now, only the sheep aren’t banned on twitch chat. They’re all yes men, they don’t dare insult.

Right right but because he has his stream. It is fascinating how these kinds of people make money from Twitch. I think it would be fascinating to see what kind of roomates he lives with. Because he always has to live with a roomate, the one in texas paid the rent for him.

He’s really only a mental coach for the sheeple in his chat bud. I don’t recall him being viewed as the mental coach of the whole SC2 scene. He’s not even really that popular. A highlight for him is Artosis asking him to be on the pylon show. Pretty sure that’s why he moved out west as well.

What’s the name of the poker book he read and the book that you wrote?

He does play the easiest race. Seems like it’s easier to make it as a streamer by playing Zerg too. Recalling Livibee as an example.

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It may have been The Mental Game of Poker by Jared Tendler. I forget the name, but I believe it was the most popular mental book for poker. Would hear pros reference what he read quit often, I believe. I think my book… is the fight to the top, through my eyes. BW and SC 2 in the title somewhere prob. Ha.

I’ve noticed that Zerg streamers tend to have far more subs on average. I think you definitely hit the nail on the head. It’s just hard to believe there’s not far more of a Zerg audience on twitch.