I think Zerg is ok. Protoss? Questionable at best.
You seem really salty about ZvT, but at least if your other match-ups are good and you stick with it you’ll rank up eventually.
There was that theory that some people have said that the game cannot really be balanced and it’s supposed to go T > Z > P > T. I’ve always thought it was kind of a dumb idea that it must be that way. But best keep in mind that you’re probably going to have one weaker match-up, anyway.
Im a plat player on zerg 3v3. toss and zerg are so easy to beat for me while terran is the race i have the hardest time with. Toss once you shut down pylons and kill off the workers usually die off pretty quick after that same goes with zerg when you take out there unit buildings. But terran you have to kill off so much just to bring them to a stand still and even then if they got a really good army then can still run over you, bio armys being the worst.
I have a friend that’s waaay better than me at starcraft
I play protoss
They Play terrian
They focus on getting marines, medivacs, and siege-tanks and usually have a large force of them within 12 minutes.
What would be the way to counter that?
disruptors psi storm and collosus with a lot of zealots and a few pheanix to pick off the medivacs and tanks.
thank you
Let’s play devil’s advocate. No Terran player is anything but a whiner, sure. Why we do all complain about the same match up? Let’s ignore the stats for a second (because you sure as hell do), but why do so few Terran players complain about TVZ?
I eagerly await you dodging this question the same way you dodge every question concerning statistics in the game.
Do… do you think terran players dont complain about TvZ?
Let me assure you that they do. It just isnt the flavor of this particular day. Give it a week or so. Theres that one guy who has a bugbear with the Ultralisk, im sure he’ll make another thread shortly if nothing else.
yep terrans whine about everything.
All groups complain about all match ups. Just to varying degrees.
Let me ask you, then: IF your race was suffering at literally every level of competition (crappy ladder results, crappy pro game results, crappy tournament results) and was suffering that way for multiple years AND the race that was the primary perpetrator started name calling at every opportunity, you’re going to react calmly?
I go over this constantly. Not one single one of you ever dares to debate the stats. You just call everyone a whiner and move on.
Kinda funny that you Talk about dodging. Last Time we Had a discussion you dodged every question and neglected every stat.
And i still saw you crying about terran having worst average mmr despite btw leading every League Other than Grandmaster. Even in Masters they Sometimes lead and Sometimes they dont.
But Back to the question. Its rather easy to answer; they still whine about tvz but Not as hard. Why ? Because they are favored there. Marine counters every single unit until the lategame so they build Ghosts which counters everything in lategame. Nice. Since TVP is Not so easy for them and they have to Work for it they cry. Similiar happened when zergs were massively favored in zvp.
On top of that terran crying has been a confirmed meme for ages.
Not even once, kid.
Under-REPRESENTED. Proportionally lower then their average population in EVERY LEAGUE a north of Gold.
That’s like saying more white kids than Asian kids graduate high school in America because there’s 12 times as many white people.
I never dodge your questions. Your questions are just plain dumb.
There IS some (very small) evidence to suggest that Terran has been favored in the match up for the past several months (Terran leading by a few percent).
However, it’s absolutely ludicrous to say that when compared to the FIFTY-FIVE TO SIXTY percent leads Protoss has been getting over an even longer period.
So, if you assert that Terran is favored, you need to at the same time admit that you should be beating 6k Zergs with one hand cut off and an ice pick in your eye.
Edit: INBF you conveniently ignore what I said about pvz and focus solely on the tired “Terran more popular among unskilled players” (source: trust me, bro).
I gave you the explanation. Really Not hard to get. They are so freaking overrepresented in Bronze to gold because of new/noob Players. 42 percent in silver explains why the average Playerbase of Terran is so much Higher (37 percent) and cant be reached in Higher leagues. My god. Really Not hard to get.
Boy did I call it or what?
You “explained” it, what you didn’t do, was provide a shred of EVIDENCE! Your assertion that Terran is clustered at the bottom due to marketing that incurred in 2010 is just straight up delusional.
Its a known fact. What are you crying about ?
Fact: 1. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed.
A known fact which you provided zero evidence for. It’s simple, make a claim, provide evidence. Facts should have “evidence.” You have provided zero, you haven’t demonstrated anything.
An ACTUAL fact, not just speculation, is that Protoss has been favored HEAVILY (the adjective is opinion) for TWO YEARS at the pro level. A [quote=“Sentry-2358, post:35, topic:25591, full:true”]
Its a known fact. What are you crying about ?
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FACT that I described in detail: Protoss has been favored by between 54 and SIXTY% in pvz for two years and has been favored in all but less than 10 periods in the last five.
aligulac. com/misc/balance/
See how I:
See, ladies and gentlemen? This is what happens every time you back the Protoss into a corner. They speculate wildly about one of the causes of one of the statistics you provide, blatantly ignore the others for which they have no remotely plausible explanation, then label that explanation as fact.
You were able to prove ONE thing, that the average Protoss player isn’t smart enough to know the definition of simple words like “fact” or “evidence.”
I gave you plenty but sadly you are unable to understand. You Just want to continue to whine only because lower leagues are flooded with terran. They still have a very good representation in hoher leagues tho.
Provide ONE LINK!? Just one. Maybe a link showing player distributions changing over time to reflect your claim? (Terran becomes less popular with games played). L
What you’re arguing is “logic” (faulty logic at that), not EVIDENCE. And you never once provided anything in terms of evidence man.
Here:
Let’s not even focus on the fact that you’re slipping punches Mayweather to avoid the obvious discrepancy in pro statistics for multiple years, because you aren’t exactly what I’d describe as “particularly bright,” but you’re smart enough to know that that would bury your argument like the undertaker.
Nah im basically doing what you did to me. i just give half a$$ answers without any explanation and react to nothing you said. Have fun raging about that. You can cope all you want with the average mmr thingy but deep down you know its a flawed argument.
That’s why I gave you plenty of other claims to dispute. You had NOTHING. Fine, let’s ignore that argument for now (even though it’s a perfectly valid claim). You win, let’s throw it out, why not?
WHY HAS PROTOSS DOMINATED THE PRO SCENE FOR MULTIPLE YEARS IN BOTH PVT AND PVZ?
And now you ignore the argument again because you have nothing.