I told you exactly where my data came from. It is based on the map statistics for the main part of the premier tournaments played this year, as classified by liquipedia. As you can see, the data from Ztabhet include many more than 1625 games. He likely included games from the qualifiers from the premier tournaments in question, though honestly at this point I don’t trust any of his data sets.
If we give ZtAbhEt the benefit of the doubt, which I’m not especially inclined to do, then there might be an interesting discussion of why winrates at premier tournament themselves differ so significantly from winrates from premier tournaments and qualifiers (and whatever else he decided to throw in and conveniently leave out).
If you would read carefully, you would find both my sources and the fact that these are not contradictory. The infographic from Velitey considers just one tournament, along with qualifiers for that tournament. I’m considering all premier tournaments, with no qualifiers. h ttps://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments.
If I were to select a different premier tournament I could likely show opposite results from Velitey’s statistic. It is only one tournament, after all.
I prefer not to argue with those who simply say the same wrong thing repeatedly after I have clearly addressed it, like what my sources are, so this will be my final comment to you.
It is not that Velitey’s data contains too few games. Nor that the tournament isn’t high level enough, it’s that all the games come from the same tournament, the same region, without including games from premier tournaments from other regions.
Did the same, because I was kinda interested why 4 people have a different number of games and hey, Iam No5. Exception here is the List with everything I did. Please correct me if I did a mistake somewhere. The outcome of the discussion: “Which race is op and not” is absolutly uninteresting for me and I won’t give any input there. But if you like to talk about improving or solving issues in the gameplay, then Iam up to help anytime
And yea, I know… the table could be much shorter but wasn’t sure in the beginning what I want to include and had much more numbers in the beginning…
h ttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XYYPYabhd3StL7aY8KD4eeQgRMQcxx7bbeHCBYpVQHA/edit?usp=sharing
What a load of Crap. For sure taking only into account only Serral. Inno and Stats would be a too-small sample, on the other hand to go on the other extreme taking into account 5000MMR players is equally absurd.
Your is a cheap sophistry used from Third Rate Attorneys when try to discredit a whitnes: You lied the first time so you are lying now (sic).
If we all agree that the higher level of play is to be taken onto account then we have to remove the obscure 2$ tournaments organized in a High-School in Rangadungu.
Yes, the OP’s post is a load of crap from start to finish. His stats are wrong. He claimed PvZ is at 40% when in reality it’s at 47%. He either calculated them wrong and didn’t double check or lied about them.
He was also extremely defensive over how he collected his sample, e.g. which tournaments he used and what tournaments qualified to be in the sample and which ones did not. When pressed, he finally listed the criteria as being “the highest skill level”. The problem was that he had included tournaments with a much lower skill level than tournaments he had excluded, and he vehemently refused to change the sample or accept the results of samples which hadn’t made that mistake. He refused to admit this flaw in his analysis but finally conceded that he must list what tournaments he used, and when he did it became clear he hadn’t even calculated the stats for those correctly.
He has 11 hearts in the original post alone, meanwhile the posts that correct him and threads which did the analysis properly receive virtually no hearts at all. This thread is a case study in forum bias. The people who browse these forums have opinions that are radically detached from reality.
Do you really think that balancing game about TOTAL win rates without division between cheeses, all-ins and macro games is how the game should be balanced?
