Reasonable Protoss Nerfs to make TvP playable

GSL S1 is when it happened.

lol an instant response and you ignore the vast majority of my response because you can’t argue against it. Great job.

Oh btw if it happened in S1, the protoss buffs came in after that and the current meta is different.

I dont respond because you are whiny and unintelligent. And frankly just uniformed.

Also, the patch with the recent buffs came after S2 ended so it had nothing to do with Stats getting to the finals.

“The best players in the world” huh? Did you check Aligulac? Serral and Reynor have been the top two players for many many months now.

I dont expect you to know any of this though. I dont expect you to know anything. You have already shown you dont have any of the facts.

You ever played Protoss or did you just arbitrarily decide that you are qualified to know that Protoss is easy?

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Big difference between a DT, which takes tech and a Widow Mine which you were probably going to get anyhow.

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MMR doesnt make someone the best player in the world. Playing amongst the top competitors and being successful makes you the best player in the world. The best competition is in the GSL. Serral and reynor are beating up on Europeans and NA players who are no slouches, but are not on the Korean level.

Ya I play protoss, my MMR matches my Terran MMR without knowing timings or builds. I’m able to play random not knowing how to play Zerg.

Btw, you shouldn’t question my intelligence. Especially when you type in point form and cannot string together a coherent sentence. You also think that your opinions are fact (serral reynor being the best players) but thats just not the case. Ya they’re really strong but they are not competing against the best players.

Widow mines require tech to remain invisible. DT’s are not visible after they begin 1 shotting workers, they’re mobile and can blink. That really isn’t as big a difference as you think it is.

Since Terran’s are getting widow mines anyways like you say, then you should know that they are there and bait them out like good players do. Or i dunno, maybe use your invisible scouting unit that detects??

Sigh okay, lets explain this.

Dark Templar one shot workers one at a time, they have to move to the next worker and then attack them. They have a tech tree they need to be produced in addition. Mechanically, Dark Templar take a lot more skill to get the same value a lucky widow mine hit gets, never mind how Widow Mines, even if you get the armory are vastly cheaper.

The only two things that these units share are; 1) They’re both “cloaked” and 2) They both one shot workers. They can’t be compared in any other ways, so if you’re going to make weird comparisons like that how about we compare the Marauder to the Stalker and draw bad conclusions based on that? Because that’s the logic you’re using here.

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You responded initially to my comment of saying “a protoss player complaining about invisible units is the most ironic thing I’ve ever read”

Then you proceed to argue that mines are somehow better than DT’s when they aren’t. DT’s are permanently cloaked unless detection is available. They can attack buildings and units and serve a different purpose than widow mines. Ya mines are lucky but DTs have a far greater benefit at higher levels of play. You failing to understand this is incomprehensible. Protoss players in diamond rarely lose to a mine drop unless they are rushing blink and don’t get a robo in which case they deserve to lose for being greedy.

You probably just get frustrated by mines because you’re a bad player and dont know how to bait their shots out and clean them up. DT’s have been around since Brood War and are as effective now as they were 20years ago, except now they morph into archons when their rush doesnt work.

lol, okay, well, enjoy your delusions. I’ve better things to do.

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Delusions?? I play and watch enough starcraft to know how the game works. You think mines being better than DTs is the biggest joke ever. Thats like saying to yourself “Gee I know the traps out there, but im just gonna walk into it anyways”

Terran player dont get to choose when DTs show up. Thats the difference. And if you can’t deflect a mine drop I dunno what to tell you, 3 stalkers (which you’ll have anyways) in the main is all you really need.

You dont know this and you’re telling me I dont know what I’m talking about and to “get good” lol.

Yeah, I don’t deal with crazy, angry, toxic nerds. Don’t care what bull you feed yourself, not my problem.

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lol you’re insulting me why ?? Because you’re bad at starcraft and I’m explaining it to you in a way that you can understand? I guess when you have no arguments you have to resort to petty insults.

Fine I dont deal with pathetic virgins who suck at RTS games with IQ’s lower than 80 who can’t read or write. I hope the worst things in life happen to you.

Notice I didnt say Serral and Reynor are the two best players in the world. Ironically, you are the one claiming that Maru/TY/whoever is the “best in the world” with no facts to justify your opinion.

You think that volume makes you sound intelligent because you love the sound of your own voice. It actually makes you sound vapid, pretentious, and childish. Going on and on about your opinions proves nothing other than you have a huge bias. On several occasions you misrepresented the facts and I corrected you. Just like your whining about Stats making it to the finals because of “the patch” had no basis in fact.

This all on top of you claiming to be equal MMR with Protoss but we have no proof of that either. It is the start of the season… but why do you have 10 career games played? Seems like you are probably BSing… again.

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Are you kidding me?? No facts?? How about multiple GSL championships for each player?? I guess the GSL means nothing to you as long as your narrative is different.

How many GSL wins does Serral have?? Reynor??

I have 10 games played cause this isn’t my battle.net account you fool. I look at your profile…you dont even play the game…you have 2 games played this season and you couldnt win either of them LOL.

As I said, it’s a new season…

Post on your actual Battle.net account then. Are you scared people seeing your profile?

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Look pal.

I don’t care about your hatred of Protoss.

But I think a lot of people are open to reworking the PvT matchup and making Protoss less reliant on Gimmicks.

It’s one of the reasons why Protoss kinda wanted Mothership Cores gone.

But what you are suggesting isn’t reasonable. Because Protoss isn’t OP. Sure they are overperforming Terran a little, maybe by 2%.

But your nerfs aren’t justified at all and neither are they reasonable.

Protoss still needs buffs to perform properly against Zerg as they are still underperforming against them.

You can’t come up with reasonable nerfs if you dont have an understanding of the PvZ matchup and why the recent buffs were given.

Voidrays are generally bad against Terran but useful against Zerg. So why the hell do you wanna nerf them?

Warp Prism are the last little bit that protoss has that rewards micro, why nerf it?

Battery Overcharge is something that should be replaced with something else perhaps. But currently is needed again against Zerg. As long as you are just suggesting nerfs you are mostly hurting PvZ instead of actually helping the PvT matchup be more healthy.

PvT needs to have some changes, but there is no justification to only nerf Protoss as the entire matchup is unhealthy. Why are you not suggesting changes on both sides?

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My original account is banned on the forums because people like you mass reported me in the past. I’ve already stated my MMR, I’m in Diamond 1 usually level out at 4k mmr, I was masters before LotV came out which caused me to lose a lot of interest in the game.

Oh nice. I would love to play you in PvP. Im low Diamond 3.

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My PVP is 67% LOL. I’m sure you’d have all sorts of excuses to follow.

It really wouldnt prove anything either way. It would just be fun to beat you.

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