PTR 5.0.15 Patch notes:

[Miro-11607]

@Furaijin-2468

Also lets talk harassments; Terrans have bout 6 different ways of killing their opponent before the 8min mark. As a protoss you have NO harassment VS terran until after the 10min mark

Holy sh!t how out of touch are you that you actually genuinely think this???

8 minutes is the time limit terran has to kill a protoss in the live version. There’s a reason it’s “All in or die trying” right now, and why 85% of TvPs seem to end in pulling the boys and the Terran either dying because storm, charge, blink etc, or the Protoss dying due to gross incompetence.

Byun’s TvP seems to be the exception to this, as he really seems to be one of the few who is actually playing past that point, even though he loses 95% of those late game situations.

The reason for this is that, beyond the 8 minute mark, Protoss effectively explodes on the map. Everything they could do before suddenly becomes infinitely harder to deal with, because they can - and regularly do if the game goes past that 8 minute mark - hit 7 bases to the Terran’s 4, and there’s basically nothing that the Terran can do about it.

This isn’t opinion, this is what we see in almost every pro TvP game currently.

Widow mine harassment is negligible and nearly irrelevant if you’re not a potato, because you have a fairly solid time to react to them.

Gas first builds are solid right now, but require you to get damage done or you’re just behind.

Beyond that, Terran maybe gets the opportunity to drop. Maybe. Because Protoss has blink timings, charge timings, gatewayman styles, fast third bases and insane econ. They have recall, warp gate, warp in storms, literally infinite scouting with hallucinations, which means that a Protoss should literally never be out of position or caught out in the first place.

@Extraslain-1944

Corrosive Bile needs rework to a spell that can only be cast while the Ravager is burrowed. The player selects a target area, and a random enemy unit within that area takes damage every 2 seconds. Also Viper need a overhaul, remove Blinding Cloud and Parasitic Bomb and give it a Remorph spell, When cast on a unit, the target begins a morphing process but ultimately remorphs into itself with fully restored health.

Both of these are just… weird changes that don’t need to happen.

@Extraslain-1944

Protoss: The nerf to the Mothership is excessive, and the Protoss need stronger anti-air capabilities.

One, they really don’t, their AA is already incredible. If you’d said their ground anti-air is weak, I might have agreed, but even that’s not as bad as people make it out to be.

Two, the mothership is actually getting buffed. Yes, the speed is a nerf. No, the health nerf hasn’t happened, however the bug fixes that applied to the mothership ultimately result in it being significantly better than it was (proper - longer - range, properly targeting multiple units, not incorrectly targeting lower prio units etc). It doesn’t need to be stronger.

@Extraslain-1944

Terran: Phoenix should not lift Siege Tank;

No??? Same problem as Siege tanks not being abductable. It’s bad game design.

@Extraslain-1944

Adjust Liberator cost to 150/100 also increase its air attack range by 2, adjust Viking cost to 125/50 and remove the damage bonus of ground attack, give a new ability to Planetary Frotress to repair unit and structure in a target area.

Again, why?

@Eliwan-1354

I cannot express in anything resembling an adequate number of words how turbo absurdly ridiculously broken I feel these leave Protoss.

Yeah, have to agree.

@Eliwan-1354

I don’t have biiig thoughts on it - I don’t feel like Stasis Wards last so long as to justify halving their duration though I’ll happily agree that 170 seconds is quite long; and I feel like this is made a bit redundant with the energy recharge nerf.

170 is definitely to long, I think 120 is honestly better. 90 is… probably a little low.

@Eliwan-1354

in practice, this sucks - i don’t have an involved opinion, but liberators can now siege and not be able to shoot something within their indicator because they can’t see it.

Which is more frustrating because it seriously reduces their effective range. I get that it’s frustrating but from a gameplay perspective, having base liberators not being able to use their full sieged range, which, I might add, is a tiny fraction of what other siege units can use and hit and see, is pretty insane. It’s fine for Advanced balistics, but on base, unupgraded liberators it’s incredibly stupid.

@DankTemplar-11542

The lib changes were supposedly asked for by the map maker community because it keeps breaking maps with dead zones. It’s less a balance thing and more a “this unit is bad for map design” thing.

It’s still incredibly stupid. The unit is 150/125 and at that cost, prohibitively expensive to get out more than a couple at a time; you’re basically only going to use them for harassment early, and this basically removes that functionality. It’s not even a problem as it currently is.

@Eliwan-1354

this is giga dumb and counter to the point of the button. this going through is as stupid as making scanner sweep not give actual vision.

Agree, though I would like observers to just generally be more visible - stationary observers are honestly pretty hard to see even with the animation changes previously.

@Eliwan-1354

A marginal buff to Adept damage or attack speed would go miles here

Can we not, please? Adepts were problematic when they could 2 shot Marines and SCVs, to the point that it made the early game completely unplayable for Terran. This isn’t something that should be considered outside of an upgrade post Glaives.

@Eliwan-1354

@Extraslain-1944

Phoenix’s base damage reduced to 5 (+2 bonus damage) and its attacks remove all armor from the targeted enemy unit upon hit.

this is completely insane and distorts the phoenix’s role from being anti-light to anti-things-with-base-armor, except it still won’t be that good at it

Yeah not so sure about that tbh. Stripping armour on a unit that can easily and quickly apply the armour strip repeatedly through auto-attacks - especially when you consider that this would negate armour upgrades too - would be brokenly strong IMO.