Protoss is by far the best race right now

And you know this how? Most low level Terrans play Bio and have no idea how to play Mech. I have seen their replays and Bronze/Silver Terrans mostly play Bio. Mech Terrans don’t start to emerge until Gold+. Anyways, the reason why Bronze/Silver is filled with Terrans is because it is the human familiar race.

In addition to that, even if what you say is true and low level Terrans picked Terran because it is easier to learn then that does not mean Terran is easier to master. Easier to learn /= easier to master. That is why only higher league race representation is useful to understand race difficulty (Diamond, Masters, GM) and lower league race representation is useless for that (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum).

I also don’t understand why basketball players are so tall relative to other sports… unless height plays a bigger role in success in basketball and players adjust preferences as a result… Same is true with mechanics in BW/SC2. The average mechanical ability of T/Z pros has historically been higher. BW opted against patching the game to account for this talent gap and toss pros caught up. SC2 has often done the opposite.

you’re plat yourself for over 5 years and you’re trying to opine about “lower leagues”

I have been Diamond for a while now and I only play the game casually. Now go away and keep making whine threads like the clown that you are. I have no interest talking to whiny trolls like you. You still haven’t changed after all these years, how sad.

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is there any proof of that? like any? there is really no reason or data behind your argument. its just in your head thinking about a reason why protoss arent winning tournaments but still are op.

…they lack talent.thats it! balance team can stop working now! lategame for example is not broken…toss are just too bad!

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At what capacity are you stating this from? This seems more of your personal opinion than fact. If you are following the “results” crowd than Zerg would be the best at this time. I would be interested in a more in depth reason for why you think Protoss is best, out side of results.

Keep telling yourself that to make you feel better about yourself I guess.

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Honestly don’t care about balance at scrub league because it doesn’t affect me. As a longtime spectator of pro BW/SC2, it’s just hard to miss the obvious… With a few exceptions, the cream of the BW/SC2 crop generally seems to skew toward Z/T. The gap in the early days was much more pronounced (anyone remember MC or Jangbi?), but even now let’s be real. How many toss players make your all-time great list in BW or SC2? Rain? Bisu? Classic? Latter a formerly unimpressive Terran?

How do you not know about rankedftw? Protoss has been the highest in GM for a long time there.

When Zerg isn’t the highest, right? lol, I like how your convenient logic works.

Those are the typical turtle noob builds. Most new players like tanks because it keeps them safe and thors because they’re good against pretty much everything and don’t require micro.

I agree, and I never claimed it was the easiest race to master. But the argument that most low level players are Terran because the race is hard is completely ridiculous. Experience is what determines which league a person is in, not race, no matter how hard whiners try to push this narrative.

That is 100% untrue. Bio is, by far, the best low tier unit comp in the game. Gateway comps and LBH/roach hydra fall off so much harder than bio, and much sooner in the game.

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There is no balance in scrub league, never has been.

Do you think it’s because of the players’ talent or maybe the game design? Protoss doesn’t seem to have the right mechanics to reward the highest skilled players, so I wouldn’t say the players themselves necessarily have less mechanical skill.

You have no faith in the essential decency of the white man’s culture

i know about rankedftw thats why i said you should back your arguments up. toss isnt dominating gm for a long time. in korea its mixed. protoss is leading for like 3 months now but before that you can see no race is clearly dominating. in NA its more or less equal when you watch the last year. last 6 years were heavily zerg dominated btw…in eu toss is overrepresented in gm for about 7 months. this is nothing compared to the gm domination over the past years of zerg. and still nothing compared to the domination of zerg in master/diamond.

i guess there are 2 things ppl are interested in: whats going on in the pro scene and whats going on at a mediocre level of play (most ppl who are really interested in sc2 are diamond/masters). seeing that zerg has always been overrepresented in diamond/masters is a big thing and now zerg is dominating the pro scene aswell for a long time in na/eu.

yes…yes…but no. statistically its much rather that the learning curve isnt the same for the 3 races. there is a reason behind the huge domination of zerg. zerg scales too well with knowledge in my opinion. zerg doesnt rely on dealing dmg or hiding tech/tricking the opponent.

first time i actually agree with you and that means a lot. if you watched TLO learning toss for alphastar you might notice that despite the fact that TLO got very good micro with zerg he looks like a potato controlling toss. or scarlett even. she is top 3 gm NA protoss aswell but if you look at her controlling the units its hard to believe that she can micro at all.
protoss micro always looks sloppy compared to the other races because the units are big chunky and slow (or whatever it just looks aweful)
i wouldnt say its harder but you cant definetly abuse it as hard as terran for example.

Protoss has been the highest in GM for a long time now.

Zerg having a lower population in sh1t leagues like Bronze-gold is irrelevant. Zerg having a very similar representation to other races in Masters and diamond is irrelevant.

Your arguments are bad and a total waste of time.

personally my zvp is 55% so … bring it on?

true statistics are very very irrelevant and dont say anything about balance/learning curve or anything :smiley: true buddy

Don’t delude yourself into thinking diamond populations are somehow “true statistics”. Your analysis is garbage and doesn’t hold any value. You only think it does because you don’t understand anything about statistics.

they actually are. if a certain race is played by less ppl and tend to be overrepresented you can assume certain things. if these things are true is another question but since its a longterm fact the faulties of the conclusion are very small. so sry i dont think you know anything about statistcs or logic in general but that doesnt mean they dont apply :slight_smile:

its beyond reason to assume it doesnt matter that in over 21 years of sc zerg has always been higher represented in higher leagues. THAT DOESNT mean that zerg is op at highest level tho (skill ceiling skill floor). its beyond reason to assume that all 3 (very different) races got the same learning curve…

Cool sounds like if you switch to Protoss you should be qualified for WCS by the end of the week if it’s that easy right?

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