There’s nothing ‘complicated’ about it. If you actually read the suggestion, you’ll see that you would not have a separate league. You don’t get a ‘mess of stats’ you get matchmaking that is more accurate because it’s matching you based only on relevant stats instead of a ‘mess of stats’ related to a different matchup.
How are you simultaneously holding the belief that it’s ‘overcomplicated’ and ‘a mess’ but also not ‘different from now?’ Are you and CollegeWings one and the same poster?
That is not the only difference, it is one of the differences. Congratulations on partially answering your own question. Yes, you can choose to practice a matchup you want with this change, that is a positive thing. It also doesn’t adversely affect the accuracy of your league ranking, so purely a positive thing. Another change is that you’re matched more accurately because you’ll have a rating for each matchup. Not that complicated if you actually read the words.
lol @ this
Increase search time for a narrowed search, perhaps. But only for the player opting in to a narrowed search, and immense time saved to actually find the desired matchup. Potential for abuse - support your claim. Practicing a specific matchup is not abuse.
You have decided the purpose of ladder based on your own feelings. Ladder is for fun, it is more fun to play against similarly skilled opponents. Tournaments and events are for competition.
Nor is the ladder.
Wrong. You’re trolling or completely lack reading comprehension. Most likely the former. Your ‘winning matchup’ will also be the match against the highest rated opponent with this system, so it won’t increase your chance to win. That’s the effect of having an accurate mmr for the matchup, rather than an inaccurate one tarnished by results from an irrelevant matchup. If anything, you’ll have a better chance to increase your winrate in a weaker matchup against a weaker opponent.
Cognitive dissonance, ad hominem, strawman, and balance whining all at once. Bravo.
I know I also have game dev as one of the educations but never mind me, all great designers of Blizz (at least for bnet ranking system it is OK, we all know not great design of some units) and other famous games want to have a talk with you.
That is your problem, you think that they are not similar skill right now because?
Ladder wants to give you competition, it is for fun as long as you have fun in competing the way it is. All copies real life sports, and there you do not choose who your opponent will be because… it is more fun. Sure ladder is not for money like a tournament, including ESL tournaments but it is made to give you the feeling of competition. So you are wrong, it is not for fun.
Then why do you even suggest it? Maybe you want something like a custom game auto-matcher but again that is not the purpose of ladder.
“YOUR SUGGESTION”, is not yours but suggested several times before, it does not make you the new Einstein, it has been suggested over and over and rejected for some of the reasons I mention. Ask any pro player to laugh at you… but you know more because you have logic while gold league? Mister Hidden profile
is this an American thing, to argue yet not liking to be hit with criticism even if I see you are not a higher experience player? Are you one of those that always will argue with someone even if the other one has had this as a profession and with this I am also saying the people behind the development of the game? Like argue with the doctor where you have to cut in the surgery, the guy has no clue you without having to do with it, know more.
Somehow you think that posting makes you equally knowledgeable or more, not just than me but than the very people who have had 10 years to decide why this is not an idea they should develop.
Lots of projection here, but you have reiterated the theme of competition many times here. Wouldn’t more accurate matchmaking result in better competition? You display cognitive dissonance in your argumentation.
You have no idea no idea what my league is, and you automatically assume you’re a higher ranked player. I don’t even play on this account. Our own league has nothing to do with the discussion realistically.
No, that’s a justification you’ve come up with for flaming me, based on your own frustrations at your cognitive dissonance.
I am with this system of bnet, on which SC2, War3, AOE4 and who knows what other games I forgot to mention are based. I do not see anything wrong with the current way the system works.
I told you… imagine you are a game away from promotion. If you choose to play vs Terran and likely win - yay such a competition - you achieved your DREAM league because you could choose the EZ way (Let’s assume you have made your games vs Zerg and Protos now is the DECISIVE match you have to win,. what you do ? Choose EZ match in ladder!) ! But if ladder is random and gives you any opponent, including your weakest matchup, you may lose, this produces challenge.
No you know your problem? You come from this lazy generation that instead of overcoming things the way they are, you want the whole rules for everyone to change because you can’t cope with this system? Get out
I am a game designer and do not find this system wrong, and you are a mister big mouth
Again making emotional statements which are assumptions without any evidence. You have no idea my league and are posting from a level 11 Terran account with 10 games on it to a stranger who has already told you they don’t play on the account they are posting from. These posts are all tangential arguments meant to derail and ignore the content of the suggestions.
I’ve already debunked this line of argumentation. You’re either trolling or fundamentally too stupid to understand the very basic suggestions I have made and explained at length. TLDR; you’re wrong.
Ok Boomer
I didn’t say the system was wrong, I suggested minor changes which would improve it. They would improve it both from a major QOL perspective for the player and in the accuracy of the matchmaking itself. Personal attacks don’t strengthen your bad arguments or fix your misunderstanding of basic language.
I told you… this has been suggested and apparently not done. You think that it has not been tested already, Einstein?
My bad arguments OK. Then ask why it has not been done, after others suggested it? I dont have a simulator how that system would work but I named some of the problems I see.
You claim you are so smart… this is why you are on a hidden account? OK.
The idea is not new, similar once proposed Beastyqt.
I did not like the idea at first.
Now I would like to test something like that to see how it affects the ladder and whether you notice it at all.
You are just a time waster, I can generate hundreds of posts because you cannot accept that you are wrong, choosing your opponent has no place in ladder. I’ve been with such games many many years and I’ve never seen this done, ask yourself why? Because you are so smart no one thought of it??
Evidence? We are not on a science class mate… but anyway the EVIDENCE is that it has not been implemented as you can see…
And people want (few people) WoL and HotS ladder back where you can REEE to GM in empty ladders. But it was not added??
Even if you are terran… I have faint memories about your name in the past, I do not support whiney terrans that proly saw difficulty in TvP and think that they just need to learn to skip matchups by some absurd bnet changes that have never been seen and I do not think add good to it.
Your argument about how you can mitigate what I told you about promotion is weak. You assume it will match you vs Stronger TvT - the end you lose. nah the fact that you can choose matchups is cheating , like where have you seen that in what ladder? Where?
Getting promoted from a matchup you choose just kills the idea of competition.
It also kills LUCK - you may get the lucky matchup or unlucky
it is part of the challenge and thrill
it makes the WIN a lot more DESERVED and good if it was earned hard, not with some selective match that can favor you.
I could say the same about you. You’re a fairly transparent forum troll I’ve been feeding a little too much here. Again you misrepresent my suggestion, no one has suggested choosing the opponent, only the matchup.
You seem to think I’m really smart, because you keep saying so. You’re the only one here who keeps insisting upon this, probably because no one else cares or thinks it’s relevant - but thank you for reiterating the tangential bit of information that you perceive me to be so much smarter.
Nope, we’re not in science class - that’s why it’s okay for you to make strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks. Easy to knock down something the other guy never said.
More random balance whine as always.
It’s not an assumption as much as you’re making an assumption that current GM ladder will match you against stronger opponents than current Diamond ladder. It WILL because you are rated in the matchup. I find it very hard to believe you are being genuine here.
rofl, okay. Don’t load up a custom game guys it’s cheating!
Your promotion is still balanced across all matchups. The only thing that changes is you’ll be matched against appropriate opponents per matchup. That makes for better competition.
Cognitive dissonance again. Do you want luck or skill?
So based on your balance whining perspective wins are only DESERVED in a certain matchup. If matchmaking provided more appropriate opponents then you deserved the win more; you had to actually earn it because it was against an appropriately strong opponent in that matchup.
Well if you had common sense, you could see I am talking against choosing the race exactly. So I never claimed that you talk about opponent.
I love it when someone without enough experience in this game and overall in games, and making games which I have done… tells me im a troll because they think they know more.
No you just get off the high horse you know nothing.
I am Terran… By saying that I do not agree with some terran whining if it leads to asking to select what race you play against, it is not balance whining. it is Anti-whining about balance. But maybe you are not even Terran.
But you are right, you are not smart.
Remember Goba? The true trolls are with hidden profiles to not be harassed over their low skill and to look bad-S when posting. I have mild memory you are not high league.
because it is ladder, it is for competition, not a custom game, not for FUN as you claim… go play Farmville if you think everything should be served as you like
I’m saying you’re a troll because you are transparently trolling. You are making strawman arguments and personal attacks, you are not honestly engaging on topic, ever. I do appreciate your unsolicited admission that you believe I’m smarter than you though.
There you have it, from the mouth of someone with authority. This game is not for FUN guys. And even though it’s for competition, a change to the matchmaker to fine-tune for better matched opponents is a bad Idea because change is scary and entitlement and blah blah blah.
Im not so green, Ive seen this stupid behavior of your kind many times. You think you know more, but you know nothing. And no you are not smart, you proved it with how you misinterpret my posts.
If you are talking about Team games, there is no proper matchmaking there I know, and it is hard to make one, I think.
I do not see anything inappropriate in the opponents right now, in 1v1. Every time I watch the games I lose or win, their MMR it is all accurate. So no, there is nothing that seems ‘inaccurate now’ it is just you
I have been with this game since 2010, beta, want a screenshot?
I have been engaged with tournaments since war3 times, in SC2, I am not pro but Im more authority than you are, you are just a forum newb that has not been with the playing history I have with Blizzard RTS games and are with some giant ego with HIDDEN profile. That alone shows your insecurity… yet claim you are so rightous
This line of thinking is indicative of something called bigotry
The irony thickens
That’s nice, I never said it was inaccurate. My suggestion would certainly make it more accurate, though. Surely you just made another mistake and didn’t intentionally misrepresent my point of view.
Dang, and in all that time you’ve only played 10 games with terran and achieved level 11.
I don’t recall making such a claim, could you provide some evidence for that? I’d guess you couldn’t for much of what you’ve said in this thread.
Very funny. I can give a link to NA acc where I dont even play much as it is not my server and yet I do not hide profile like a mouse like you. Most likely you are a gold or plat at best. When I was playing it MMR borders were not that low, lol 3200 for D3 on NA : DD
I dont know if per-race MMR and average from it will change much, as in the end it matches most similar SINGLE MMR and to me that is fine either way.
But choosing vs what race opponents to play is ridiculous for a ranked ladder. If Im not Authority, ask anyone who has done ladders (SC1. SC2, War3. W3 Champions) why such thing is not good, ask pro players? You think you have better ideas than all of them but you don’t you are just a clown
Yet you say im the troll but I think im the one trolled… should have backed off like College, not waste tons of text for meaningless and stupid idea, whoever puts their ego so high they cant see that this is not a good idea, no point trying to convince them let them have their delusion. if you are not at least M, you cannot be taken seriously, especially with this confidence without cover, as you are not a high level player.
Apologies, troll. I can see that profile and league are very important to you. You certainly are not hiding your profile ‘like a mouse’ by posting on a profile with 10 games on it. Brave hero.
‘I don’t know’ being the first bit of honesty you’ve displayed here, it’s time to take a moment and be thankful for it. Perhaps you’re turning over a new leaf?
Back up your argument statement with something more than an ad hominem for once. Why is it ridiculous, if you’re still matched competitively in the matchup? Why is this so scary for you?
Provide evidence for claims, your own hurt feelings don’t count.
Take some deep breaths, reread the thread, then try your best to figure out who is actually posting from ego here.
I’m happy to discuss actual reasons why it’s not a good suggestion. All you have provided though are personal attacks and repeated demonstration that you haven’t even properly read the thread or suggestions themselves.
First, what I have suggested would be valid even coming from a person who hasn’t played even a single game of StarCraft. It isn’t based in balance whine or game knowledge, just a recognition of the obvious fact that TvT is not TvZ is not TvP etc. Second, I hate to disappoint you but ‘high level player’ is a meaningless and subjective term, to noobs it could mean ‘Master league or above’, to some maybe ‘GM but not NA’, It could mean ‘High GM’ it could mean ‘professional player’ or it could mean ‘at least RO8 GSL’. You keep begging for this irrelevant piece of information so I’ll tell you that I’ve been Master Rank on ladder with all three races, never GM though.
I cannot post with the other acc here. Result of constant PPP trolling.
I am not against how the total MMR of a player is taken but cherry picking match ups to gain points, you cannot convince me in that this is good for ladder, it is not how ladder works since the beginning of time. You are not some Einstein of SC2… this is lame idea. You assume you know more than the people who kept designing the ladder this way lmao
Not a single game never mind strategies, even though they are most relevant to this, you will choose against what race/character/etc you want to play as part of competition. This has never been how ladder works because it can produce some of the cheap wins or ‘cheated promotions’ I mention.
I too have been highest league that existed in this game… when the game was in too early years. But hiding profile sure means one has to believe you.
I will not go back ,reasons have been said, choosing opponent is not how ladder works, you have to earn your win and be prepared for anything. You sound like MyOhMind.
‘No evidence that they will not like it’, evidence of not doing it after this idea has been mention means it was already rejected. We call this in our region ‘stupidity and stubbornness’ .
Again, if you are evenly matched then why does picking the matchup matter?
‘We did it this way in the past’ is not actually an argument against doing something different in the future.
So even if it matched you against a perfectly even skilled opponent, you haven’t earned the win because one or both of you searched for the matchup specifically?
You’ve made objections but not explained your reasoning beyond ‘it’s different’ or ‘its complicated’ or <insert misc insult / unrelated balance complaint>.
