It’s so unfair that an oracle or liberator isn’t an instant win button against Zerg.
I mean, are Terran and Protoss players actually expected to put effort into the game to beat Zerg???
That’s my thing
Glad to see someone was holding down the fort while I was gone
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Agree. Now that prism range and liberator range are lower, it could be considered to make archon drops more viable
Edit: also liberator openers
evo drops were around a bit longer than a week and a half 
This is the way the game should have always gone, people being forced to learn how to play it, rather than meta changing patches every year, to “keep it fresh”.
This game is old now, let it settle.
Peopel are still crying for Battlecruiser nerfs. I guess you want them nerfed, then…
I’m not encouraging imbalance or discouraging zerg nerfs, but hellions already do enough splash damage to a number of light units. They don’t need any more light targets.
Early game attacks should be encouraged, but not at the expense of acceptable counters. Letting Liberators float in magnificent unreachable spaces while obliterating workers is crazy bad and was nerf-balanced for a reason. Do you decrease liberator range or do you decrease queen range? Nerf queen damage maybe or slow down that liberator attack rate? All sorts of options.
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They do bonus dmg to:
Z: Ling, Hydra, Drone
T: Marine, Ghost, SCV
P: Zealot, Sentry, Probe
From those: Mass Hydra, Mass ling, Mass marine and mass sentry trade 1:1 or better vs helions and Ghost, Zealot and lings in smaller fights absolutely DESTROY helions. Only workers dont do well because they are melee and too slow. If you get surround, they actually trade well.
So, show me the unit helion is actually good against thats not worker…
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Hey, you know, I think so Protoss can survive the early game we should add back the mothership core, but we should remove that gas cost and “can only build 1” limit, and also it should be able to cast chrono boost, and has to be built from the pylon so as not to interrupt worker production.
Really, it would be 100% balanced because it would just be Protoss surviving the early game.
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I play Protoss, and even I wouldn’t want to be this OP!
If I just wanted to be shamelessly advantaged, I would just play Zerg.
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While that is true, going 5+ queens and basically not getting units needs to stop, that crap permeates every league above plat and even in plat - and it enables zerg eco cheese.
Reducing the range of the AA Queen attack imo will either cause issues or not do anything meaningful.
Want to actually solve the issue? -1 base armor or -25 health.
Now Zerg can’t just mass Queens to protect their eco cheese since Queens will actually die to strong aggression. They’ll need units as well. And that will solve most of, if not all remaining zerg imbalance problems (chain fungal imo is still an issue but at least it’s not so game breaking that it needs to be addressed asap)
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Here I am thinking they had 9 range. What a nerf they just got in my head!
Seriously though, nerfing HP would probably be the best way to balance the queen, the current range is really good but it’s not completely OP.
Comical, people still think unit interactions is what’s wrong with the game.
News flash, it’s the map pool. Fix the map pool.
Imagine whining about queens when you can literally put one unit in your wall and be safe against Zerg. I honestly don’t know how you people function in daily life with weak attitudes like this.
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Zerg defending everything with 5+ queens
You: “It’s the map guys”
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Terran defends everything with a supply depot wall
You: Queens are OP because Zerg has a chance of defending
Go look at the map called " Effloresence LE "
After 1k+ games on this map my T win rate is 75% and my Z win rate is 65%.
Hopefully this will put it into perspective for you as to why opening queen heavy on this map will result in a loss 90% of the time.
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A depot wall doesn’t even prevent ling runbys because it takes so long to get up.
Personal performance =/= “Everything is fine and there are no problems”
Infestors don’t have that problem when Adepts are around.
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