FYI the new broodlord is absolutely busted

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Snake is now 0 to 5. He tried a lair-less roach+baneling build this time which is supposed to hit faster. It was smart because I like mass ling styles in ZvZ. He hard countered my strategy. Do you want to guess how long he lasted? 6 minutes and 21 seconds.

https://i.imgur.com/922yaRH.png

He hard countered me and lost in 6 minutes. This guy is supposed to be some kind of roach-guru, right? Are we talking about the same guy? :laughing:

You probably think I am being dramatic here, but look at this army value graph for crying out loud:

https://i.imgur.com/ns5rj50.png

How is it possible to lose these games? Your army hard counters my army, AND you have a much larger army, and you lose, how? I guess the lesson here is not to bring roaches to a :hammer: fight.

:exploding_head:

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"You’re never going to beat a 5k terran with a macro roach play. "

Pig was bopping several 5k terrans on his stream with Roach play you are just not good with em dude as you think you are.

I mean you keep losing to literal diamond 1 4200 mmr protoss and terrans and claim the game is too easy and write endless Chat GPT garbage about nothing to the same exact only 4 people who visit this forum for hours at a time. Ever come to the realisation that Maybe YOU are the one in the wrong and not as good as you claim to be?

Snake is either amazing at zvz or dies off the bat, NA ladder has literally probably like 12 actual real life players above 5k the server is so hecking dead it is the most irrelevant talking point . UKKO is very incredibly literally half of top 16 GM with alt accounts.

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A 6k mmr “roach guru” can’t defend basic ling builds in ZvZ, loses games that are literally unlosable, but we are supposed to believe roaches are good units? Roflmao. That takes brain damage to believe. The mobility factor of lings alone infinitely trumps the power of roaches. Internet clowns who claimed this guy was better than me are still MIA even after a week after the latest game. Hmmm. I wonder why.

“A 6k mmr player loses 5 times in a row vs batz but trust us batz isn’t 6k mmr wink wink” - internet clown logic.

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Snake is 5.1 . Low GM, virtually Master 1 since GM level is typically 5.4k + .
Get back to us when you beat UKKO 10 times in a row who has multiple accounts at 6K + taking up half of the top 16 GM. But considering you are something like almost 1500 mmr lower than him gunna be tough order to meet ladder.

Sometimes you get lucky and snipe a win in a Best of 1 format against a better player, which means almost nothing in the grand scheme of things when there are some builds that autowin the build order that can get you to high mmr or can get lucky from occasional mis micro or w/e , the important thing is mitigating that over several games which Batz cannot do at his level .

Batz is around 4.8, no where near 6k. you are beating snake because he is playing at a 5K level not a 6K level.

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Hmmm I wonder what he will say when he learns I’ve done literally the same exact thing to JimRising, Ukko, GAMETIME, and Golden?

Lmao. Imagine having such low standards that you use Ukko as your “high bar” threshold. I played against him just the other day. He’s probably my most common opponent. I clapped him with a 3 gas speed roach allin. He just died. This is the basics of ZvZ. If you see your opponent is on 2 base and you have a third, you just crank roaches and don’t bother saturating your third beyond 8 workers. It’s literally a free win. If he is going roaches too, you are ahead with a third. If he goes mutas, your roaches charge across the map and kill him then and there. It’s literally that easy.

He died because he was going straight into lurker tech. Why? No clue. It makes no sense. You have a game winning position if you just hold down the “R” key. Apparently a guy who doesn’t understand ZvZ openers is considered the golden standard of skill in SC2 these days. Lmao. What on Earth.

People don’t understand the basics of the game anymore, which is why I can clap them with troll builds. This stuff would never work back in Heart of the Swarm. It was impossible to make troll builds work back then. Because nobody understands the game anymore, winning with standard builds is just too easy. It’s boring. This game is designed for apes. SC2 is an ape game. Anyone with IQ >80 lost interest in this game years ago. I am talking about Life/Polt/Idra etc.

Nobody with any brains plays this game anymore. Those who do are like me and try to find exotic ways to win games. Do you want an example? Ok, fine. Here is JimRising, an indisputably 6k mmr Zerg player, losing to mass slow lings: https://i.imgur.com/L3YhDvP.jpg. What’s your theory this time? Maybe it’s photoshopped, eh? That’s a good excuse. It’s literally impossible to beat someone with mass slow lings in a ZvZ unless you are radically more skilled than they are. It’s like beating someone in TvT with mass marine and not bothering to research stim.

If you wanted to test my skill, you should’ve asked me to beat Stephano or someone like that. At least he’d take some effort to beat. But, Ukko? Roflmao. I could clap that guy with mass queens. Literally.

Don’t get me wrong, he’s better than most people. I am just measuring Grandmaster against HotS-era Grandmasters, and they just don’t compare.

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again using the jim example when he hasn’t been 6k in 5 years and has been irrelevant to the pro scene for the past 3-4.

Ukko, future, hateme, any actual legitimate 6k mmr player top 16 GM on NA, or even EU 6k players like harstem.

I don’t need to ask about your skill, i saw you fail to proxy Snorkeljuice and get absolutely decimated by a 4.7k terran, but you think you can consistently beat 6k players? I use ukko as an example because he consistently plays at a 6k Level, Snake does not, but in every single post you keep using snake as an example instead of actual relevant players to inflate your own ego.

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This game is from when he was 6k mmr. You can literally see his MMR and my MMR in the screenshot. It says we are both 6k mmr. You’re still denying it. Unfortunately I think that classifies as a blatant lie, which means you go onto the block list. Once someone starts spewing lies, there is no point in furthering the conversation. You just need to see an eye doctor for crying out loud. I post a literal screenshot of my MMR value and you still deny it. Bye!

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I can see nephest, he isn’t 6k. I read your stuff for ages dude, you just haven’t got any clue about the game whatsoever, but hey whatever floats your boat. I can screen shot your Slammer profile and see your history.

/sc2/?type=character&id=3742045&m=1#player-stats-mmr

Again, he loses to X or Y, I lost because X or Y, you keep cherry picking scenarios, and never reveal the whole game state.

You lost to Snorkeljuice because you didn’t cancel your Proxy, didn’t get your third base until 5 minutes, were on equal workers vs mules, were down 10 army supply with inflated roaches, got half them trapped and killed by rocks, and had insufficient larva to hold a 2 base push. BUT NO ROACHES SUCK REEE.

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From the screenshot:

“Su mmr es: 5883.”

Translated from spanish, “his mmr is: 5883.”

Gotta love internet randos just spewing lies all day long. BaTz WaS NEvEr 6K MmR BeCaUsE I sAiD sO ReEeeEeEeeEEeEEeeEeeEeeeEeeeeeEEEEEE!"

I’ve said this many times. The only way to win with zerg is to play hour long games. Blizzard has deleted aggressive zerg styles from the game. I am not willing to play reactive zerg styles. 1 game is not worth an hours time to me. I lost a thousand mmr because that’s how incredibly bad aggressive zerg styles are. My mmr was so flipping high that I could take a 1,000 mmr hit and still stay in Grandmaster, lmao. It was still too easy to get into GM, so I decided to look for really fun win conditions. Not too long ago, I beat a zerg with a proxy hatch. It’s the greatest accomplishment of any player ever. Proxy hatch in ZvZ is the worst build in existence, and I beat a GM zerg with one after years of trying. Do you know how many games I lost trying to make this work?

Everyone approaches the game like a robot, copying builds from the pro players, and trying as hard as possible to play the best strategy the best way possible. They think that someone who drops a proxy hatch in their opponents face is legit. Never do they stop to think that maybe it’s a troll move.

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Again, no one cares about old formats and patches and skill levels from a life time ago, And as said, some times you can get a win from a superior opponent, it is a best of 1 format so sometimes wonky stuff can win, it is all about consistency, and you are consistently at a 5000 mmr level at best, not a 6000 level. Maybe you were at a stage where you could some times win a game at higher level players, through luck or whatever but no longer. You failed to keep up with the changing game state and are now losing to 4.2-4.7k players . This fact is irrefutable since your slammer profile is public as is your match history. You don’t even GG when you get your butt handed to you.

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Lmao. Is the troll kinda admitting the truth. Holy cow. He actually almost did it. He almost admitted I actually was 6k mmr at one point. I had this screenshot for years, you know. I just let you guys ramble on and on with long lists of reasons why my incredible feats of talent weren’t legit.

https://i.imgur.com/p4v9p6T.png

Oh well. Now you know. I can’t troll you guys with it any longer. There is no point in even recognizing that you exist. :kissing_heart:

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Can’t see it. As said, at one stage some times you could win against higher players or snipe games.

6K also 5 years ago is not the same as 6k today. That probably translates to where it is today, 5.1-5.4k range maybe less .

it is a Best of 1 format, some times meme builds work, or mistakes happen, lag, ping,
misclicks, getting a good run, playing well some games, all these factor in. What matters is the consistent level of play, over a longer period.

Remember when PROBE managed to win that best of 3 against a pro player ? Sometimes flukes happen. But where is he on the Pro Scene? absolutely no where.

Na Ukko is way better dude.

However i did see a game of yours, that Ukko just giga threw .

All he had to do was follow up scout and just A move you when you suicided your whole ground army into banes, he could have killed 2 bases and you would have had just like 5 muta left against corrupters. But as I said, ZvZ is a coin flip at times, and some times people make mistakes and you can beat people better than you , but grabbing a single game here and there against higher opponents is an ego boost, but doesn’t correlate to overall skill , hence why still 5k.

Now do it another 10 20 times consistently and you might get out of your bracket.

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See you managed to win a game against VIBE, who used to be a 6k ‘pro’ player

Does that mean that coz vibe USED to be a high level player that means you are too?

Vibe has mentally checked out of sc2 for like 2 years now, and plays at a significantly lower level, around 4.6-5.1 now so now he is degraded to such a point that he can lose to anyone and doesn’t care enough or wants to invest the time to get back to where he was. Beating Vibe is like beating up a 80 year old George foreman.

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POLT came back to Sc2 with over 2000 viewers on twitch, and got completely destroyed and barely broke 6k in fact i can’t even remember if he ever did , then he ragequit for Teamfight, which is a game of Literal RnG as its core mechanic. So he is not a good example, he a clear case of not being able to keep up anymore.

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I have a 70% ZvZ win-rate and I don’t even play seriously. All I do is mess around with meme builds. The one thing you just can’t admit is that I am taking games off people much higher than Ukko when I am not even trying. That’s the difference. They are doing the strongest, standard builds and still losing. I outclass these guys radically. We aren’t in the same universe in terms of skill. If I played standard, I’d be 1,000 mmr higher than Ukko or more.

I just posted another example on the forums where I beat a GM protoss with a drone-pull allin. It’s literally impossible to win with that build because by the time you get to his base, he has more workers than you do. He still lost. That’s how I am winning games.

Contrast that vs players like Maplez who spam the same exact build on repeat like a robot. They concentrate all their practice on the singular strongest build they can find, and they still drop games vs a guy who is doing random wonky builds.

The strongest builds have 2 paths to victory for every 1 path to defeat. The meme builds I am doing have 1,000 paths to defeat for every 1 path to victory. If I can reliably hit that 1 in 1,000 (at a Grandmaster level none the less) then I can definitely hit the 2 out of 3 that the standard build provides. If you can’t see the difference here, that’s legit brain damage. You should have a doctor look at that.

You are comparing their peak performance to my mess-around performance, and it’s so disingenuous it borders on an outright lie. I think we can categorize it as an “egregious misrepresentation” for now.

Can you list an example of one of your beloved streamers beating a GM protoss with a drone pull allin, or any of the other insane feats that I’ve done? Can you list even a single example? If that evidence existed, you would’ve posted it by now. You try to undermine everything I do, so if there isn’t a long list of streamers who win games with worker allins by tomorrow we can all conclude it’s impossible and I am a literal GOD for making it work.

In my entire life, I have only seen 1 other person even try this. It was Naniwa and he did it purposely to throw the game vs Nestea. The build was so bad that it was obvious he was trying to throw, and that created quite the scandal at the time. This is the stuff I am winning with at a GM level, but you’re comparing that vs standard players. Your double standards here are gigantic – they’re mind-blowingly hypocritical. I could be Albert Einstien and you’d cry that my handwriting is bad because there was a small blot of ink in the corner of one of my papers.

You cast all these darts from the shadows while not revealing your own identity and rank within the game. Lmao. It’s hypocrisy and cowardice of the highest order. You gotta love internet randos. They are just a lovely bunch of people.

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Noregret beat toss all the time with drone pull what lmao, I have done it on ladder too it isn’t anything that remarkable.

70 %, when only out of 60 games. in a best of 1 format where cheese and all in zvz is strong.

where as out of 1700 zvz games it is only 53 % . still slightly favourable.

other matches you are 49/51 % zvt,

how about the 18,000 bowlcut games ? you are still losing to 4.7k zergs like vivid so it can’t be truly amazing or at least enough to climb up more.

https:// www. youtube .com/ watch
?v=fw5WtLcdfS8&ab_channel=LowkoTV

Um lambo managed to grab a lucky win from max pax in a drone pull what?

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Link it or stuff a cork in it. Thanks.

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My rank history which is publicly available says 5550, which is a sigma 3.6 result. Aka, for the statistically illiterates on bnet, that’s the best in 6,000 players, or roughly equivalent to 154 iq. I’ve posted screenshots that go even higher to 5800, which is o=3.9 aka the best in 24,000 players or 159 IQ. It’s crystal clear that I am a SC2 genius, which is no surprise at all to anyone except the trolls on these forums, so when you try to bully me, and talk crap about my accomplishments, all I can do is laugh – it means you are statistically illiterate.

5800 mmr is an outstanding result and anyone who says otherwise is mathematically illiterate.

If you factor in the fact that I am getting these incredible results while doing meme builds, it exponentially magnifies the accomplishment. 5500 mmr was achieved doing totally randomized build orders like 4 hatch before pool. Have you ever tried winning a game with 4 command centers before your first barracks? I didn’t think so. I am do that against Grandmasters. You like to say that my ego is inflated but that’s a straight up lie. My ego is realistic. I know exactly how good I am.

SC2 isn’t something that I take seriously, either. Imagine what I could do if I actually cared about this game as much as I care about my business ventures. This is a small hobby for me, and it’s comparable to most guys liking football. Frankly, I’d just get bored because it’s a video game and video games are designed for kids to kill some time, aka they are extremely easy. Avilo got GM in SC2. Let that sink in for a minute. Yeah, video games are easy.

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I watched your replay. Ngl all I saw was proper infestor micro to stop snipes. The terran was also not properly pre-splitting before engaging.

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There wasn’t much he could do due to positioning. He was in a bad spot and the reason for that is that the brood was so fast at maneuvering that it caught him off guard. It’s not clear if the broodlord’s speed buff will allow this to happen consistently or if terran players will simply retune their game sense for the new speed. As of right now, there are loads of free wins that can be gained by just catching a terran out of position with broods in a spot that he would normally think is safe just due to how slow broods move.