I just wanted a competitive solo game (unlike HotS or DotA) that would challenge myself, and yet the feel of the game is so incredibly boring. What’s the matter? Sure, there are some games where I die to an early aggression, but even those games that I win, I win by A-moving after 10 min of macroing the economy. It’s ridiculously easy and boring.
I haven’t really googled anything similar up, that’s why I’m writing it here, hope it’s not too annoying (I would be ashamed to ask this on Discord or Reddit).
Of course, I don’t understand the basics of the game like when I should attack, how vulnerable my base is, I’m at 2K MMR, but it’s not exactly inspiring even if I win. One thing is good that I can find games at any time of the night in EU, unlike Brood War or Eternal Return.
You’re at the trash heap level of play and yet you want to call the game easy. It’s like bragging that you win at 50CC Mario Kart when you get lightening at the very end, calling it easy, but still fall short on all the basics. You’re stumbling into easy wins, and absolutely getting embarrassed in your defeats because you lack any real fundamentals.
2K MMR is not even touching the iceberg of what the game has to offer. Humble yourself a little and actually get beyond beginner’s island. 3.5k MMR is when the game at least somewhat approaches a level of competency and flow. You’re standing on a molehill and claiming it’s a mountain. It’s all just really silly to read.
I’m not bragging, I’m whining. Yes, I’m trash, and that might make my games feel boring.
But I’m not claiming that. And no, it’s mistaken to call low-level play “beginner”. Some players never improve. Some never get to Diamond. MMR is not a progression system.
You’re dancing around the fact that you called it easy. Beginner’s island is interchangeable with “noob school” which has been gaming lingo since basically the dawn of PC competitive gaming. Anyway, you’re finding the game boring because you’re seeing the game only in terms of win/loss. Self-improvement in one of the most brutally difficult games of all time should be seen as a fun and challenging exercise. But if you just mindlessly grind your games, without reflection or analysis, and refusing to look up guides online then I can’t help you not be a obstacle to yourself for how to enjoy the game.
Again, MMR is not a progression system. No such thing as “beginner island”.
Exactly the opposite. I have literally stated it’s boring both when I win and lose.
One of the things might be that there’s a dearth of micro potential in fights. I blink with Stalkers to focus fire the Void Rays, I set up a Prism for reinforcements but that’s it.
I’m EU (Ukraine, to be precise, lol). Blame Blizzard forum segregation.
Expanding on my OP a bit, my main gripe is that the match is usually just build units > a-move. The better matches so far have allowed for the players to rebuild/adapt multiple times. Of course, I don’t know about timing pushes, but they are supposed to finish the game there and then, too. Thus the only possibility of skirmish would be to build an Oracle and snipe some workers, but that’s underwhelming.
Maybe I would be more content with BW, it’s just that the playerbase is much smaller than in SC2, hence limiting the possible queue times (only evenings, etc.).
Hiding your profile doesn’t work with all the sites around…
You lose about 50% of your games -as you state the ridiculously easy ones-, otherwise you would raise in leagues. You still are the same level when you started. Also, if you need 10 minutes in silver to defeat your opponent it’s a you-problem. Try to level up to diamond and above and try winning by a-move. You can upload the replays when you get there.
It is: you start with 3200 before your qualification matches. If you lose those matches you start lower. You got to 2100 (meaning you probably lost 4-5/5 of them) and you hardly rose in MMR since then. This means that you are still on beginner island. Get better, stop whining.
or maybe you should just learn to play before typing stupid things on the forums…
Thanks for the website! I have actually been asking for a dakgg/dotabuff for SC2, and people on Discord only suggested sc2replays to me.
You are fundamentally misunderstanding MMR as a concept. It is not a progression system. Meaning, if you play more, it doesn’t get higher necessarily. Hell, it can get lower.
One of my ideas is that SC2 may be boring in the lowest leagues. Is Diamond the cut-off point? Or is it ML? It’s all arbitrary anyway, and tangential.
I can launch HotS and actually have sensible player-versus-player gameplay in my decayed-to-Bronze account. Rising naturally if I put in the effort (aside from its being a pesky team game).
Now this does warm my heart, I won’t get such snarky responses on plebbit.
Are you too implying I’m trolling? In truth, I have come to these forums in search of a free conversation - and I seem to have found it somewhat, considering how abrasive some folks here are. It’s just that I’m not able to state explicitly what exactly doesn’t invoke my inspiration.
At first i was like no way someone is going to call sc2 boring and easy but then i maybe realized what you might wanna say with that.
If you say something like boring and easy first thing that comes to my mind is league/dota where you really have just like 1 champ, a very limited range of spells to throw and can just choose a build guide (that you can follow like 100% while playing unlike in sc2). You dont really have to do much to have fun thats why its so popular especially for casuals.
But then i thought about what you wrote and i think you are correct. For me sc2 is the most fun because of the depth and the action. But sc2 on lower leagues has neither. The real fun begins when both guys know what they are doing and the dance begins. Lower league sc2 feels like 2 blindfolded deaf guys with a stick swing around and the first who hits the other guy with the stick just wins.
The first time when a terran blocks your nat with an ebay then harasses you with 3 reapers while he proxies the factory and lifts in your main to build some widow mines while hes also building an armory to completly hide his widow mines and after that hes going for cloaked banshees and after that a battlecruiser. Then you know you are somewhere 3.5k mmr and the fun begins and the people can at least do something. They harass you and macro behind it as well, they try to scout and counter you. Its no longer offline solo match; its a real 1v1 match.
It’s fine to not be interested in a game. Not everyone in the world likes SC2. Many people just can’t get into Go; while others think it is unfathomably deep. However, I wouldn’t go to a forum dedicated to Go players and announce that the game they play is boring and easy.
In any case, I do think you are probably judging from a very shallow perspective. Which actually is also fine. I decided tennis is boring after about 6 days of honest learning, and getting good enough to defeat a few people who enjoy tennis. And not for lack of athleticism. I was a competitive collegiate racquetball player at the time, and some people kept trying to tell me tennis is “better”. Bleh. No.
What I didn’t do was go on Tennis forums and announce the game they like is boring and easy. What is the point? Either you are genuinely open to listening and have the community change your mind, or you are intentionally trying to antagonize people. Which is it in your case?
A fresh account speaks about how easy the game is. Where have I seen that? In the half of Techbatz posts from the last few weeks. Something tells me that it is your account.
Yeah, the game is just too easy. It’s 95% how fast you click. The efficiency of clicks doesn’t matter because any management of the units is better than no management. So if you have mediocre unit micro, it’s OK as long as you can do it quickly. SC2 is a game of many battles, and mediocre micro across 5 locations is infinitely more efficient than superb micro on 1 battle and no management on 4.
The game is designed around mediocrity. It’s about doing an “OK” job across many places at once. It’s 95% multitasking and 1-5% micro/strategy.
What!
Deepmind beat Go before moving on to SC2. It didn’t beat SC2 to quite the extent they imply, but it did do a pretty good job. Of course an AI can play SC2 and Go, because they are easy games.
