The absolute arrogance of this guy thinking that all the other people that tested this and actually looked at the actual data must be wrong, and he alone is correct.
Because they arenât problems.
it is true the devs themselves confirmed it. dont be dense now
His projectiles dont have any falloff and his damage was not cut only his range for landing discord
Either that was said when Ana literally didnât exist, or theyâre just wrong. Either way, I know no one here besides me did any testing so I donât know why you keep talking about it like you did. Science has peer review for a reason.
did you read the whole statement? because if you did youd know exactly what imean
the developers said it after ana was released, your confirmation bias doesnt change that the people who made the game say youre wrong.
Science doesnt apply here, there are numerical values put to these things, its a fact that hanzo has the smallest projectile in the game.
Ok. You are wrong.
Proof: I just did testing
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I can promise you I did, but it still does not make sense.
Youâre comparing Zenyatta to literal one-shot heroes who can still one-shot frequently, while ignoring that they buffed other DPSâŚ
Like, I read it. Iâm reading the thread, all the responses. This still does not make sense to me. These comparisons do not feel optiomal at all.
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No, you didnât.
Now you can be quiet. 
Yeah ofc I didnât, I was playing gmod and was not gonna waste my time dying on this dumb hill of who has the smallest projectile size when it isnât even the point of the thread lmao
A+ effort though, thatâs more than most people on here do when trying to argue a point
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it makes sense. Zenyatta should not be able to volley one shot at the ranges he can if dps cant
also you said they buffed dps in response to a topic comparing zenyattas damage to sniper damage, neither of which were buffed.
Itâs not a one shot, itâs a charge attack that doesnât occur often and can be avoided quite easily. And if heâs in range to do it, heâs also in danger of being attacked.
Itâs quite literally not as simple as you are wording it.
I said this in your topic. They buffed Soldier and Sojourn, and mildly nerfed Widow. Hanzo and Widow are still one-shotting away. lol
the volley kills and if you dont dodge in time it will kill you.
widows sniper and hanzos bow both have charge time as well so thats just a moot point.
its as simple as im putting it. Youre trying to split hairs. zenyatta being within range makes sense he is after all a support that can one shot
Widowmaker is a literal sniper, how does it make sense that she has to play closer to be able to kill.
30 meters of range is not a mild nerf to even insinuate that is disingenuous at best.
bro widowmaker literally cant even one shot on in literal sniper lanes anymore.
she is outranged by pharah on her best maps, the idea that she is fine is coming from someone not paying attention to the facts. shes dropped to bottom 2 in winrate across the board. Tell yourself whatever you want, you cant ignore the facts.
This wonât address the fundamental problem discord has it is still 15% extra damage for every single ally on a single target, to properly fix zen they need to disincentive using it only on the tank
(All that reducing its effectiveness on tanks does is make the game more inconsistent and complex)
Thatâs why I think discords damage buff should only apply to zen and whoever has the harmony orb anyone else gets a flat burst heal after the discorded target dies if they get the final blow or contribute the most damage
I would also give it a 4-6 second cooldown so zen has to be a little bit more selective with discord.
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i actually like that idea its a good one
Widow can still one shot within 50m, discord now has a 30m range and without discord it takes 3 headshots to kill a 200 hp squishie, consistently hitting 3 consecutive headshots at extreme ranges with a projectile is not easy.
Just use cover 4head 
(thatâs a joke donât flame me too much(
It doesnât go in a straight line unless the Zen stands perfectly still and if the target doesnât move, either, or moves in a linear fashion towards him.
Iâm not. Youâre comparing literal one shots (as in, one piece of ammunition from them = death) to a hero who has to hit multiple lol.
Because sheâs hitscan and doesnât have any of the drawbacks that other FPS have for their snipers, minus the now decreased health. Do I think this is the right nerf for her to make her not dominant on certain maps? No, but she needed to be reigned in somehow.
Itâs 40m. You donât even know her numbers, broâŚand thatâs just for fall-off to start kicking in. She can still one-shot beyond that.
Never said they were âfineâ. I said they can still one-shot. Which they can.
consecutively hitting headshots at extreme ranges is not easy on any character.
if the argument is ease then the nerf still isnt justified.
im arguing the ability to do it.
if a literal sniper cant do it from that range, why should a support be able to? its about TTK not the amount of shots.
Would you be okay with widow one shotting at all ranges but it taking about as long as an ana shot to kill you?
if your answer is no then your own stance is invalid.
so your argument is that zen shouldnt be able to output so much dmg because hes a support?
my argument is he shouldnt have the time to kill he has AT THE RANGE HE HAS IT if a literal sniper cant.
let him kill that fast within 30 meters i could care less, but if widow gets a nerf that hard, zenyatta definitely shouldnt be able to do it.
so your mad that the glass cannon is a glass cannon?