Tried overwatch again after a few months break to play my main zenyatta. He has been nerfed into the ground for no reason. He is now unplayable. Without discord he has no pressure, no mobility, and low damage. Now he has the weakest healing in the game and mediocre damage. New champs like kiriko and illari have high damage, high healing, lots of mobility. The whole point of zen was the trade off from healing for damage, but by nerfing his damage into the ground he has no purpose. You apply discord and they hide behind a wall for a second, then come kill you because you dont have discord, so no damage and no escape. The reason people complained about zen discord was because it was strong on tanks, but thats blizzards fault for removing 2 tanks and destroying the meta and core design of the game. I won’t be playing blizzard games anymore. Blizzard has ruined this game beyond repair. The only reason for overwatch 2 existing is so blizzard could monetize skins. World of warcraft is a downward spiral since BFA, starcraft scene is dead, diablo 4 was a disaster, and now overwatch has been butchered too. RIP blizzard.
me thinking back to jjonak one clipping a roadhog without discord applied
yeah it’s a bit disingenuous to basically say “lmao just be the best zenyatta player ever” but i think it’s a bit hyperbolic to say zenyatta has no pressure
Roadhog has 700 HP, you can’t one clip him without discord even with a full volley of headshots. That would only deal 480 damage.
it’s funny cause it’s true, and also very easy to kill
Done with Zen for now, OTP’d him to M4 - Far too easy to play around now once you get beyond plat tanks
Ironically, got flamed for playing him half the time. Had to work hard to show he was a capable pick. One of the weakest supports and he gets the largest nerf.
0/10. Game should be balanced by people who actually play it
Clearly you didn’t read the patchnotes, he didn’t lose mobility at all, he gained 25hp and his healing orb lasts 2 second longer so more healing overall.
Regarding damage he still dishes out a lot of damage, the only difference now is that you can’t spam discord constantly and you need to think for a second who you’re gonna use it on, for instance last night I realized it’s basically pointless to use it on fast characters before they engage like Ball or Tracer because they’ll simply hide and lose it.
From my experience so far it’s only a small boosted damage loss overall, I went from 2k per game to 1250-1500.
So yeah, he’s not worse, he’s arguably better.
yeah no one respects zen for what he does, don’t see the same hate for lucio even though he does less
Trust me, as someone who plays both you get flamed just as much on Lucio.
I saw zen very rarely before nerf.
Playing behind cover to charge up a volley will also get less value. Maybe if you could apply discord orb while holding charge?
This interaction literally didn’t change, you didn’t discord then hid to charge your volley otherwise discord would simply wear off.
I swear the more I read the forums the more I realize how little people understand this game.
A support can’t single volley into a tank a kill them?! Stop the presses!
You just have to adjust playstyle. You can’t just bully the enemy tank all the time. Every streamer I watched playing zen said that he might actually be better overall. 225 hp buff is kinda big
He doesn’t heal less his heal is for everyone so he can heal for 74 hps per second with bursts of 260hps. And people do talk trash about lucio in game because hes no op like the flex supports
zen got a net buff and his much-maligned discord was redesigned. now instead of braindead spamming it, theyve introduced counter-play to an ability that used to have constant value without thought.
my question is- why couldnt this be done with bap/illari/kiri/ana etc? its odd, because clearly they displayed their ability to make great changes imo, they just flat-out refuse to do so.
Orb of Discord is only +25% Damage, which means Zenyatta would do 600 Damage at Maximum.
Roadhog still lives.
For the love of god, why is it newbs to the forums can’t make paragraphs. Or punctuate. This is painful to read.
Its still painful once I understood it. Leaving the game for months then coming back and not doing well. Gee, only conclusion to draw there is that the game sucks.
Zen, to me, was always one of the most mindless characters to play. Throw orb wherever, volley, throw orb, volley. We’re in a team fight now! Time to… throw orb and volley 
Now the rework forces Zen to think about where he throws the discord. Zen mains rise up in mutiny at this baffling “make me think” nerf. How dare blizz listen to tank mains and take away the bliss of not needing to have thoughts to get value off Zen. Truly horrible 
Zen isn’t that bad actually you have to play smarter with when you use discord and on who and the extra 25 hp is pretty big. Harmony orb buff feels really good on flankers as well. He will probably receive some minor buffs that make him more viable. They should really increase the time it takes to remove discord orb out of LOS.
People also complain that Kiriko is op. Whether or not new zen discord changes makes him too weak we’ll have to see. If it’s too weak blizzard will probably make changes and give him more power maybe in his primary. Or just nerf the other stronger stuff. They tried something with zen and I’m not complaining.
Personally I think zen is still decent but the way you use discord is very different. Now more so I use discord in 1v1s, and to prevent someone from pushing for a few seconds.
For example if a rein shatters he wants to push to get value so I discord him and he takes a ton of damage if he tried. Or if someone is out of position and hog is looking to hook them discord gives an extra second or two where if the hog tries to go for that hook they take a ton of damage
Using discord like that gives a lot of indirect invisible value. It’s still much weaker than before of course, but the harmony orb los at 5 seconds is actually a huge buff if you play with heroes like tracer genji or sombra. Like actually huge.
Not to mention 225 hp. You can play way more aggressive greedy angles with 225 hp and the hero still has no footsteps so flanking is a lot more viable
I think zen is still decent, though the 1.5 seconds los to break discord is perhaps too short since you cant reapply for 7 seconds but idk.
Now zen actually has a chance against sombra with 225 hp. It gives that extra but of time to either land shots or get peel. Still not a good matchup by any means, but it is noticeably better
ah top 0.000001% pro player with thousands of hours playing with the best playing in the world can 1 clip one of the BIGGEST heroes in the game… wow also you cant 1 shot him without discord…