Zenyatta is the worst hero in the game

actually due to 5v5 he got a massive buff, but whatever

its always sucked, its meant to suck, thats why he has discord

Yeah illari was meant to be a dps fs, and bap is better than zen

doesnt make him the worst hero in the game tho

thats just false, orb is way better, cause multiple people can benefit from it rather than just 1

and junos dmg boost is an ult…

why are you static when playing zen?

easiest to kill? bastion exists bro

His ult cannot be outdamaged really, only with anti.

monks are not all super agile and martial based xD

i like zen how he is, a fun rework idea i had was to give him a second healing orb to treat him more like an aoe healer like lucio or brig but really he’s fine as is especially with one of the strongest util options in the game with discord. trance could use a buff tho

trance doesnt need a buff, its already pretty strong, im just disappointed people dont use his invincibility to body block bullets as well

It can by a couple of heroes. With just primary fire.

I don’t have proof but his kick is awesome coz it boops. His charge attack dings easily and can one shot squishes. I think he is quite good but every season there is always an underdog. Last season was Mercy, this season, maybe Zen I guess?

First of all Lucio is the worst hero in the game, not zen. Out of thousands of games played, the number of games i have won with a lucio on my team can be counted on one hand. But that’s a different topic.

Zen’s damage is not quite the same as as Bap or Illari. It’s spam damage and projectile and those usually pull higher numbers overall, and work better at longer ranges. For one thing he can deal with a widow much easier than any other support. I for one absolutely love deleting widows as zen.

Damage boost is absolutely objectively not better than discord. Damage boost affects one person. Discord allows for stacking damage buffs if multiple people focus one discorded target. So respectfully, your math doesn’t math. I’d have to check the numbers but i believe during mercy’s ult if she damage boosts the whole team by 30% or whatever it is, and the whole team focuses one target, THAT is equivalent to discord.

His ult being hard countered by a 12 sec cooldown? I assume you’re talking about nade? If ana nades offensively she doesn’t have it for herself anymore. And it’s not as simple as you make it seem, there’s a lot more to it. For one thing you can force nade early in many ways, and then this scenario you’re painting out is a non-issue. Not to mention how many people have to be stacked together for the ana to get a really effective nade that would arguably counter transcendence. Knowing when to transcendence is part of the skill. You can transce a whole lot of things, and others you can’t, but that doesn’t make it useless. And i believe it lasts longer than all these short cd abilities. Not to mention saving zen’s own life indefinitely in the process and buy him some time to move somewhere else or just stall point or what have you.

Zen has always been extremely vulnerable. His head hitbox extends to the orbs floating around his head, so that’s pretty huge. But the tradeoff for this vulnerability is supposed to be his damage. I believe blizzard has been taking the wrong approach by nerfing his damage, and that’s on them. But even in this lesser state than what he used to be, he’s still pretty good. My biggest pet peeve with him has always been the fact that when he’s out of ammo he is basically a sitting duck while he’s reloading. Compared to moira it doesn’t seem fair at all that moira basically never ever has to reload, and zen gets punished for inevitably needing to reload unless he hits all his shots which is unlikely. I’ve always been an advocate of giving zen infinite ammo like hanzo, and i don’t think it would make him overpowered given his severe vulnerabilities.

Another thing is he can heal through enemy shields, which cannot be said about a lot of other supports. I believe mercy can too, but obviously she’d have to be way up close to do it and zen can do it from a safe distance.

Anyway, i think the main takeaway is zen’s usefulness stems from his ability to juggle both of his orbs at any given moment, along with his own damage which is not negligible if his aim is half-decent. So you can’t just point at his healing alone and say it’s trash and that’s the end of the story. If he’s good at damage then when he’s assisting a teammate the teammate won’t need that much healing in the first place. Do you just want a healbot or something? then yeah zen is the worst pick for your team, sure.

I for one find zen to be pretty useful in terms of assisting his team, albeit by not only healing, and i think he’s extremely fun to play. Yes he can be frustrating at times. Some heroes are tough to deal with - Tracer, Sombra, etc. But for the most part he’s not “the worst hero in the game”. Lucio on the other hand… god, i can write a book about all the things i hate about lucio.

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honestly people is using him to do damage instead of healing just liek they tpyically do with moira honestly the game is becoming mega trash rework him wont save the game honestly this game just needs to die as they alwasys screw sometihng up

what rank are you? we need an answer

From the launch of the game he was literally the very first support that was SUPPOSED to do damage. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. He’s the OG damage support. And by not doing that people are literally wasting time playing him. Moira is completely different and i agree i hate seeing dps moiras but unfortunately they exist because they do work because moira is good vs bad to mediocre players, which is most people.

hes literally designed to be a glass cannon, not much healing output but insane damage output, otherwise they wouldnt make his projectiles do 48 per shot

his healing is a bit high if you have the correct team

i see what you’re saying, but it’s apples and oranges. If you’re talking about multiple people focusing one target, discord is better. If you’re talking about damage boosting junkrat or some other spambot to just hit random targets with more damage, then yeah i see your point - damage boost is probably better. But personally i don’t think that’s the right way to play the game tbh, but idk

Yes in that scenario pocket Mercy is better. But only for one target at a time, and you have to focus all your time and effort healing/boosting that one target at a time, whereas zen can do this for the whole team from a safe distance albeit not as potent. It gives zen a lot more flexibility than mercy imo. Mercy would have to fly across the map to heal someone, which takes time and sufficient range, and zen can just instantly throw an orb and keep doing other things. His ability to micromanage his orbs quickly is the real benefit people don’t seem to be grasping. Other healers have to commit to healing one teammate at a time. Which inevitably makes other teammates vulnerable, whereas zen can juggle his orbs quickly, thereby only micro-committing to anyone who needs it in that particular moment, so he can take care of more teammates at a time. For the love of god i know someone is itching to bring up lucio’s healing circle here but please don’t.

I mean… i guess that’s true. He’s always had a learning curve. But i think that’s why i like him - he’s challenging. If i had to play nothing but moira-like supports who just auto-win by existing I would find a different game real quick

Illari is middle of the pack for support DPS. Zen does the most support DPS by far.

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Honestly? I actually agree - but not because he’s actually that bad, but because someone had to eventually take the spot at the bottom and yeah I’d just about say he’s that, at least in this meta so far.

We have some of the worst takes in here that could possibly be typed out in current OW.

The claims that either Zen or Lucio are the worst heroes in the game are bizarre to say the least.

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His healing, ironically, is one of the things most tied to skill.
Moreso than most supports, actually.

I’ve had quick play games where I’ve had the most healing as Zen, exceeding 10K.
It’s not just because I’m keeping a close eye on everyone’s health while playing harmony roulette, but because tranq.

Here’s an example of one QP match where I had top healing.
Junkertown, attack.
I stepped out, volleyed an Ashe on the rooftop to the right.
She died.
Discorded the Hog who was in a bad position, dodged hook, killed him with our tank who was also hog.
Killed Mercy and Lucio.
I think they swapped Rein and Bastion after that, but they dropped to contest, the tank got charged into the standalone cover spot to the left of the attacker’s position, I had tranq, so I tranqd, and ate up the damage from the charge, as well as the bastion’s turret form, then I finished off the bastion with our DPS.
We took first point, I was already probably 30% on my way to the next tranq, and top healing in the match, because on one hand, I was killing their supports when I had the opportunity, and 2. I am VERY aggressive, and farm up ults quickly, and use them to save the team even outside of enemy ults, and also much of the time, so my team and AGGRESSIVELY push to take the next point.
It is very much an offensive ult as much as it is defensive.
So probably half the rest of the game I continued nailing my volleys, getting tranq, and using it to help us push the payload to the next checkpoint, and then eventually to the final area.

The point being, if you save your ult for every Dva bomb, you’re playing Zen wrong.
His healing isn’t necessarily top tier, and I won’t claim to have top heals in the majority of my matches, but if I’m really in the zone and popping off, my healing is as well. (Unless the enemy is just bad, in which case, healing is potentially less relevant)

Here’s an example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9IKjGooHDw
In 18 seconds I go from 46% to 79%.
By the time the next team fight happens, I’m pretty much ready for another tranq.

Also, RIP being able to kick a Mauga into the well.
Those days will be missed.

A zen kicked me into a mei blizzard once and so now I want him deleted

Focus on the true enemy.
It is not the Zen, it is the Mei.
Harness that anger, fold it like steel forging a blade, then use it to cut the string of fate that holds Mei’s existence.
Then you will find peace.

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That’s right. I tell my tank to push and I’ll transce. A lot of players aren’t ready for the proactive Zen ult. Sometimes you have to keep momentum going depending on the situation by Ulting with him.