Zen vs Doomfist (1v1's and Tanks)

Why does Zen have a decently high chance of actually winning that 1v1?

Its not a skill issue it’s happened to me I was GM3 on Tank I’ve seen it happen to Zbra who we all know is the best doom player while he was full health in a direct 1v1.
Why are supports and dps allowed to 1v1 Tanks they’re supposed to be occupying the role of two players (Overwatch 1’s two tanks in one.)

I feel like its almost impossible to kill moira on winston or Doomfist too, too much self heal, mobility but atleast she’s not doing anything, and she can’t really kill you either because of her low DPS so I don’t really mind it, if you die to Moira as doom or winston you’re just bad.

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Because the community seems to be unaware about what a tank should be, they believe we shouldnt actually play the game but just sit on the point AFK, they might as well replace Tanks eith the pushbot.

Legitimately whats the point in have a tank if they cant 1v1 without winning fairly comfortably? Most DPS dont need to be scared of tanks anymore

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If it’s Zen vs Reinhardt, the odds of Zen winning that fight are 90%, Rein can’t do anything to Zen, and the amount of Zenyatta players that run up to a Rein with no fear is crazy.

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“Run up to a low hp rein.”

No sane zen is going to take a full hp rein on.

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You would be surprised.

If the same skill level players played Zen and Rein, and were to 1v1, at full HP and cooldowns, Reins only chance of winning is getting a charge, which can still be kicked away.

I’ll just swing my ham-+discord. Kick. Volley into massive hit box with baseballs actually the size of beach balls while you try to get back into hammer range. Get back into hammer range. Swing once. Kick again. Another Volley dead+

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Why a tank should be able to easily 1v1 a support?

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I don’t know might have something to do with the fact they’re supposed to occupy the role of two players.
You know since OW1 two tanks.

OW2 tanks are supposed to be mega raidboss tanks, its funny really because in many ways they’re worse than OW1.

If you seriously argue this I don’t think you know much about the game though there are 4 non tank players 2 in each role which aren’t tank.
THere is 1 tank player who has no other tank players with him.

Its obvious he should dominate almost every 1v1.

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That just leaves the team at the mercy of their tank, tanks shouldn’t be any stronger than any other role.

Exactly, tanks should be as strong as every other role.

If you’re arguing tanks shouldn’t be stronger or weaker than any other role then realistically they should be able to 2v1 every other role since every other role has two players that would technically make the roles balanced but thats not what I’m asking.

I’m asking for tanks to be able to dominate 1v1s.

Your statement contradicts your argument, and comes across as ill-informed.

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How are yall struggling to 1v1 a zen as rein?

Ya zen can do alot of damage, but between firestrike, charge, shield, and just swinging hammer, you should not be losing that fight.

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I won’t comment on rein since I only play Zarya and Doom, Zarya destroys zen if you get on him but Doom has a decently hard time.

Either one of you might be right I’m not sure.

I only really play rein and sigma for tanks, sigma easily destroys zen, and when im rein I still destroy zen.

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And you probably went against a zen that was on the same bar of skill as you, it happens. But this game isnt even about 1v1s so balancing around them is a waste of time to begin with.

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They are supposed to be better at controlling space than other roles. Controlling space and getting easy kills are not the same thing.

Next to no one wants ‘raid boss tanks’

Also This.

Every hero should have the potential to 1v1, but the game isnt blanced around fair and equal 1v1 fights

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That each player should have equal agency over a match is ill informed and contradictory?

Throwing around big words doesn’t make your opinion fact.

Full health 1 vs 1 doom v zen Doom wins, you need a ton of context for what happens in actual in-game lobbies.

Is Doom actually taking the angle he wants to take, or is the enemy team on zen’s one side, so he has to engage from another? Is zen on high ground? Is Doom? Is Doom forcing the fight, and off pace with his cooldowns? I even see Zbra make mistakes from time to time, we’re all human.

Nah, these sorts of threads have that strong false-premise whiff about them. I’m not buying what you’re selling OP.

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Overwatch 1 had the dynamic about right, where just about any dps could punish over reaching tanks but tanks still had a strong advantage.

But frankly I cant muster any pity for the 5v5 tank design, where for the past year until S9 every last tank could brainlessly stat check you with zero fear of repercussion.

5v5 tank design is just the most disgustingly untalented thing in the game.

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The king of bad takes sits high on his throne.

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