But hey these superjump and moira ball changes are way more important.
…In the last week of the beta
…no sym,reaper,doom,sojourn changes either but whatever ill wait for the hotfix =)
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Zen doesn’t need to be nerfed. He has nothing but discord, so ruining discord is ruining Zen. His damage isn’t even that notable since most other characters can out damage him in a straight fight.
Wrong. He has a primary fire, a secondary fire, an ability 1, an ultimate, and a passive. In addition, he can jump, crouch, reload, and preform a quick melee.
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225hp
Can 1v1/melt tanks
Snap kick infinite
No footsteps=flankyatta 24/7
“Glass” cannon btw
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I already adressed that in this neat little sentence
I feel like you said less than you intended to. Zen can “1v1 tanks” only if the tank is stupid. Want to see? I can lock any tank, and you can lock Zen, and we’d see who’d win. Besides, that’s only with his Discord, so if you take it away, who’s he 1v1ning?
You can physically position yourself to where Zen will never be able to kick you 100% of the time. That’s not hyperboly; Zen’s best range is out of his kick range, and most other hero’s best ranges are out of his kick range. You can go a whole match without getting kicked.
Your point?
You’re not another user who doesn’t know what glass cannon means, are you?
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First of all, I love the “in this neat little sentence” lol it’s very cute, we need more confidence like this. Second of all, I know but you said he “has nothing but discord” and I clarified that Orb of Discord is not his only ability, but he also has a primary fire, a secondary fire, an ability 1, an ultimate, and a passive. In addition, he can jump, crouch, reload, and preform a quick melee.
The beta will be updated tomorrow, but does a kick and 25 HP more really makes him the best character in the game?
The beta should be updated tomorrow (with no trash take attached)
He has an unlimited boop that deals extra damage, free extra 25% damage for his whole team on the enemy tank, a low single-target heal, decent damage, 225hp and the support passive stacks onto his shield regen. He can one shot squishies from range with his alt fire as well. He can’t be killed in during his ultimate like other supports and Ana’s nade only lasts for half the duration of trans in 2 so he’s guaranteed to get at least some value from it. At this point, the only thing Zen really doesn’t have is mobility.
He may not be the singular best character in the game but he and Ana are definitely the best supports in the game atm.
The only nerf zen needs is discord having less of an effect on tanks. Anything else hes garbage again.
Discord’s seemingly omnipotent presence in every game aside, he’s not ending the world when you have to play against him. He probably needs changes but they would be small, probably not a priority over beefing up the other supports. I mean, new Moira actually helps with the discord issue to an extent, though I don’t know how the math works yet.
How many times do you get booped per match by Zen?
And Bap has a fields that prevents death with no risk to him, Mercy can revive people at no risk to her, Ana has nade with no risk to her, blah blah blah.
Zen’s not unique with the dramatic support ability. In fact, its why people pick the supports in the first place. You have to tell me why you think a free 25% damage increase for his team is a bad thing for the support that’s supposed to support his team.
Stop calling multiple attacks a one shot.
He can’t be killed during his ult BECAUSE he has no mobility, low healing, and has to play like a discount Damage role hero.
Why is this a bad thing? You see, you have to do more than say “He’s good and that bad” for everyone who isn’t a toxic user on here.
Thanks, I try.
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Anytime you play a close range dps, he will float towards you to knock you back in a straight line for an easy follow-up. The answer is “enough.”
Bap’s immortality field literally makes him immortal, can be destroyed, and has a 20 second cooldown. Mercy’s rez has a huge risk since she’s rooted in the ground for nearly 2 seconds and can barely move. Rez also has a 30 second cooldown whether it goes off or not. Nade can be deflected, eaten, or blocked and has a 10 second cooldown. Discord Orb has no cooldown, can be moved onto anyone at any time for 0 penalty to Zenyatta. It can effectively have close to 100% uptime and it is basically a permanent tank debuff for Zenyatta existing. No other support comes close to that level of constant utility usage.
Zen is supposed to be a glass cannon design. Big utility, decent damage, good ult, but is vulnerable to being dived and killed. OW2 changes make him much more self-sufficient which is unintuitive to how he is balanced and designed to function. Supports shouldn’t be a free kill for DPS, but they shouldn’t get to subtract 25% of the enemy tank’s HP for free either.
It isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it makes playing other supports basically pointless when there are two extremely obviously better choices than the rest.