A hitscan hater as I may be, as annoying as brig is, as much as these forums decided to hate ana, I said it, zen is the worst hero to be ever part of overwatch.
Back when dive was meta it didnt feel this bad, but god damn, discord is the worst thing to happen to ow, and dare I say it, including release brig and double shield. Discord made goats even worse, zen made double shield worse, zen made hog sig worse, zen is the WORSE part of zen brig.
Brig’s issue is that she enables and removes weaknesses that zen has, but zen nonetheless, makes the game, ranked, casual and scrim alike, less fun.
And no, Im not a zen hater, hes like my second favorite supp to play, I think his mechanics are fun, but theres no way that discord should exist when its so easy to use, has no cooldown and is the best ability in the game, including IF.
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I think it’s hilarious how some people want to give damage boost a resource limit, but no one bats an eye about Zen’s discord 
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Maybe they can nerf discord orb in compensation for a buff elsewhere. I see how discord can be frustrating coming from a Zenyatta player.
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I think Zen is only good because of Bap and Brig, instead of a glass cannon, he’s now a fortress. If rush comes back like last October, then Zen will see a lot less play.
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The thing is, zen is supposed to be a pure glass cannon. Probably one of the easiest heroes to kill. The problem is brig/Bap who remove that glass, which is why you see so many brig zen or Bap zen comps
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As another Zen lover, you might be right. Discord is busted. Trans is also one of the best ults in the game, and may or may not be the reason that Blizzard won’t address Ana’s win grenade.
On the other hand I guess their solution was to just make Zen so killable that he never gets a chance to throw a discord. And he is super killable.
It’s amazing to me that Blizzard is so scared of dialing back broken abilities on “high skill” heroes that they’d rather just destroy that hero and the entire game with added counters rather than, I don’t know, balance the heroes they already have.
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When I tank, discord is the bane of my existence. When I dps, I love discord.
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I think it’s because discord goes away after loss of LOS, while Mercy can just follow someone around and DB them for the entire game.
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imo the number 1 heroes that are the biggest issues in this game are the following
Sigma: destroyed the tank balancing as a whole and created the worst meta of overwatch’s history
Tracer: the number one hero who is barely countered and is mainly only countered by a cree, he only received the buffs he got so he could counter tracer and keep her in check harder. she also made brigitte release in THAT state JUST so she can destroy the meta that tracer created.
Zenyatta: just is really powerful paired with brig, ruins tank play because of his high damage + extra damage amplification. his healing imo should be increased and have his discord nerfed to 20%
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Discord is ridiculous, but zen would be trash if it got nerfed, even if his power is shifted more towards healing. There would be no reason to pick zen over ana or bap in that instance.
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I don’t think nerfing Zen is the answer when his power isn’t the core issue on why he’s so good.
The DPS heroes are generally the weakest role by a wide margin. It is why you can kind of get away with going off meta DPS for longer because DPS simply doesn’t matter as much.
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you cant seriously think that?
This isnt dps watch…we nerf supports we nerf dps
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I have more pressing concerns myself. Excessive CC and excessive burst damage for the most part.
Yes yes we could include Discord in that burst damage category, sure, but I reckon it ought to be fine once Bap and Brig aren’t keeping the glass canon alive any longer. If we deal with those and Discord still problematic then it is actually quite an easy thing to adjust I reckon, Discord has a ton of variables around that 25% mark, could change its place in relation to armor for instance and that would already diminish its value, if need be.
I mean Tanks have been the strongest for most of OW and lately Supports have been second.
Remember the only reason you have DPS on your team is because you are forced to have 2. We know the ideal OW comp.
Zen wasn’t played during double shield…
Bap Zen is really good with double shield.
But Zen wasn’t played during double shield meta, Lucio and Moira were
Doomfist was incredibly strong during double shield which made Zen not a strong pick, whereas Lucio and Moira both synergised with Orisa/Sigma while being able to avoid Doomfist pretty easily hence they were played
That’s double shield 1.0, the current version of double shield has completely different supports and DPS because Sigma can’t gatekeep half of the DPS characters.