This is hillarious. He is the top second across all heroes with k/d. Not just support role, but all heroes, and from bronze to gm+ he has 5.3 kill per death, which means every time a Zenyata dies once, he contributes or kills 5.3 kills, which means almost every second time he dies, he will contribute to 10 ppls death.
And if you say it’s because of the rank, read the following.
Bronze - Top 2, 4.7 k/d
Silver - top 2, 5 k/d
Gold - top 2, 5.1 k/d
Plat - top 2, 5 k/d
Diamond, top 2, 5.4 k/d
Master - top 2, 5 k/d
Grandmaster - top 2, 5 k/d
Some potential counter-arguments.
No it’s not because he is a support. Only moira has more K/D because of her shift and because her damage orb touches everyone and counts as elims. The fact that Zen being such hard skill-shot player and having 5 k/d shows how OP he is right now.
Some other supports have a bit similar K/D, but these are either fighting supports like brig and moira, or kiriko who has 2 death escapes. The only support with such low mobility is ana, and she is 3.2 k/d, not even close.
So if it was true that zen is very easy to dive and kill, he wouldn’t have 10/2 k/d.
Now, if you will excuse me, I will put my 3D glasses and take a popcorn, because I can’t wait to see your excuses.
P.S the lame excuses came. So people say K/D doesn’t show how often he dies. Let me explain. D in K/D literally stands for death. This means if the char has high k/d, he is not dying that often.
P.S.S if these statistics are wrong (they aren’t btw), then why are these wrong for Zen only? Do you want to say overbuff fakes statistics for Zenyata just to prove some forum andies wrong?
A 25% damage boost for your whole team, while still being able to heal and shoot at the same time makes Zenyatta the highest value support in the game. They’ve needed to tone down his value but up his self-sustain for a while now.
what I don’t understand is people keep saying widow is not killable because she is way far back, but zen practically doing the same thing, he just toss a discord and sit all the way back, he can charge his shot and ohk from afar, better yet, orb of destruction has no falloff range.
No one complained about Zenn in 6v6 and the only real thing that’s changed in his kit is his snap kick. (Whoop dee f***ing doo). Y’all are actually out of your mind with this crusade against supports.
Maybe because widow is hitscan, and zen projectile? There is difference in perception of “fault” or “incorrect play” when you die to them. If you die to widow - you might have just picked in wrong time for 0.3 second. Dying from charged zen barrage is considered more of a mistake, I think.
im talking about diving and killing the target, widow is a dps, zen is a support, obviously there are other differences that need to be taken into account.
No the problem with zen is we lost a tank his discord can just sit on tank and you dont have a second tank to hold while you wait for it to come off this is a big problem when making space is the main goal of tanks and zne insanly shuts that down
Yeah but if he is as squishy as people describe, he must have lower k/d because of often deaths.
That can explain high kill ratio, but can’t explain the death ratio being so low.
There’s overall statistics, mentioned in the thread, you can also check overbuff by yourself.
It’s 20% if I am not mistaken, but still it’s huge. It’s just not happening that “he is so easy to kill.” He is not a glass cannon anymore, he is just a cannon.
Or, discord and 2 headshots.
How is 6v6 relevant in the discussion of 5v5? How? 6v6 had more people, more shields, more shootable targets. With your logic you may also consider roadhog op. Why not? He was oneshotting in 6v6, right?! How come past can be used as a reasonable arguments for these people in the present, just blows my mind.
You don’t understand. Reinhard had 2000 shield in 6v6. I think it’s too much and his shield needs nerf now <<<---- this is their level of arguments.
So you know 6v6 had double barrier, and you ask questions like why it was not that broken in 6v6? Interesting…
I still can get better value dps wise off Moira and heal a hell of a lot more then mt Zen game could ever do.
Grantef I have much more time into Moira, I even have her golden gun, and her playstyle fits to that of mine of a pseudo dive hero. (No I do not waste fade like that unless its worth it. Sometimes I do feel the need to follow after my tanks to just heal them though so fade helps a ton.)
Meanwhile I have minimal time on Zen. Even now I just use him to pressure the backline by making it harder to keep their tank alive, this leaving the rest of the enemy team open for picks once the tank falls. But then…I still get a ton of moments where I have no clue what I’m doing, I only know that I discord the tank spam fire, use my transcendence for ultimate counters. And I have no idea how my Zen is even remotely effective when I barely know what I’m doing or have such little experience it even freaks me out.