Yes i do. Lemme explain myself in a little simulation: So, in this simulation, blizzard is a god. The wolves are the DPS, The bunnies are the supports, and the deer and bears are Tanks. So, The wolves need to hunt the bunnies to survive. But bunnies are mad at them so they start whining to god that they want to be able to kill the wolves. So god somehow caters to them and makes them evolve into super bunnies that can kill a wolf in one bite, and is killing the deer and the bears too. So, the wolves die out, And the deer and the bears struggle. Making the system die. The supports are meant to be killed, if they arenāt that makes them uncontested. If you can heal your team 24/7 without ever dying, without the dps and the flankers being there, you are uncountered. Unless you are protected by tanks, you should die, unless you have godlike positioning, you should die there. You know why genji wins in support 1v1ās? Yeah, he canāt heal. So, he has to be better at Damaging than a support. So by your logic: Supports should be good at DPSing and healing, and DPS are supposed to be just worse than the supports at DPSing + not have healing? Thatās not fair. We are going to go into a DPS less meta. A skill less meta. And, IDK about you, but i am just gonna come back when a new meta comes. Hope it is soon ![:frowning:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=5" ":frowning:")
Allow me to make a counter-point.
The wolves are pretty bad at their job, sure they can pick off the weaker rabbits, but they canāt kill the good ones.
They whine to god to remove the rabbits legs. Now there is no rabbits. All the bears quit the game because itās only catering to the wolves.
Not how it works in a competetive game. If you want free kills go play Co-op vs A.I.
Yes, but suddenly the weaker rabits started being the super strong rabbits, Stated ripping the throats of wolves and bears alike. And goes unseen by god as twiddels his thumbs.
Honestly, I donāt want them to be free kills. I want them to be able to defend themselves though.
Defend themselves = being able to prolong their death long enough for the team to help them.
Defend themselves =/= being able to kill most of the roster.
Itās really not hard.
But even in your metaphor, bunnies are still able to kick and scream and run faster than most of the āDPSā or āTanksā you describe here. They are effectively prolonging their death. The only time a wolf is able to kill the bunny is if the wolf āoutplaysā the bunny or gets it by surprise. The bunny, however, is never able to kill the wolf without something else there to help it.
I agree YOU ARE ON THE MONEY! That is exactly how it should be. But now, the bunnies are in a closed area, with the tanks trying to pretect them. At that point, there is the balance. So why the hell would the imperfections in positioning and not staying close to the bears and the deer be just forgiven and they just get some mad rabid teeth to kill everything?
Iāve read something like this in my philosophy class. It was written by a German in the 1930s
I know nothing about this xD
No they didnāt.
They just had the sense to kite the wolves and aid the wounded. For a support to truly be a āfree killā youāre going to need to take their feet (mobility) from them.
Want to truly gut Lucio? Remove wall ride.
Want to truly gut Moria? Remove fade.
Want to truly gut Mercy? Remove Guardian Angel.
Want to truly (you get the idea)
I mean this as respectfully as possible. Your post is too hard to read. You will get more views and more responses if you put some formatting in there.
Disagree mostly.
Supports should have a way to outplay their opponents through some sort of skill. Supports should not be able to outplay opponents by holding W+M1
Well okay, donāt make them free kills, but they never were. But donāt make them rip the wolves throat out in a milli second
No-one wants them to.
Anyone who does, quite frankly, is an idiot. People just want to be able to think after dying to a DPS āI couldāve fought back, if only Iād done (X)ā not āWelp. He farted on me. Time to await the inevitable.ā
I agree. (CHARACTERS) Well maybe free kills is a bit of an overexaturation sooooo sorry
Thank you. They should defend themselves when teammates dont want to peel
I like when you say something that has the depth of a tea spoon.
If supports are always meant to die to DPS then you would just have no people who would ever play support because whatās fun about being a human punching bag? Itās find to actually let them have a way to defend themselves so they always arenāt a free kill.
Thanks for the critique. I apreciate it
Defend themselves = peel for themselves though.
I donāt think they should be able to kill everyone very easily. Ana has trouble killing nearly everyone. Her time to kill on a 200 HP hero is closer to 3 seconds than it is to Brigitteās TTK on 200 HP heroes. Same thing with mercy, (sometimes) Zen, and even Lucio (without booping someone off a ledge).
Itās insane.
Just because you created a metaphor does not make the metaphor accurate. Support are not bunnies and DPS are not wolves, and the metaphor is misleading.
I think a more accurate analogy would be to consider the power of a neutral base hero with a number of sliders for damage, utility, defense, support, etc. Then you can drag those sliders but if you increase one value you have to decrease anotherā¦ The aim is to create a balanced heroā¦
Mercy is not great at damage or defense, but sheās great at healing/support. Her utility used to be really high during her OP phase, but it has been reduced significantly to make her more balanced.
Genji is very high on damage, quite high on defense (that has been lowered slightly recently), but perhaps not so high on utilityā¦ etc.
Baguette is not the best at anything, but she has a little of everything. This is enough for her to counter the flankers that hunt squishy targets, but perhaps not enough in other cases. She may be overpowered (Iām not getting into that discussion here) so they may need to pull back on one or several of those sliders over time to balance herā¦
But just because a hero is classified as a support does not mean they have to be without damage or without defenseā¦ If supports could only heal then you would only need one healer because they would all be the sameā¦