To be fair, you can hardly blame people for taking that stance. Gamedesign is hard and competitive philosophy is, so frequently, thrown-away instead of being developed-upon.
It’s no wonder that people default to the tried-and-true that older game devs were forced to get right from the start.
Except with that mindset we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
We would all be playing Pong because “that’s how it’s done”.
You pretend like there isn’t an irrational element to this. People want shiny and new, and when it stops being so shiny, people default back to what works.
People picked-up shooters because they were new, stuck with them when they worked.
I’m purposefully derailing what you’re saying because you haven’t said anything new in this threat… at… all.
You would know this if you had some patience and read the thread.
Anyway, the developers will do what they want, regardless if what either of us says.
Which btw i already said earlier as well.
Good to know, then all i have to say is this. Don’t bother complaining, Blizzard (hopefully) know the direction that you want to take the game in is bad for it and they wont do it. This is (hopefully) a new age for overwatch, and I would rather people like you don’t complain them into turning it back into OW1.
If you did that in DPS in one and weren’t playing a shield buster that’s on you just playing the game poorly.
And I hope you learn some patience when it comes to reading. Farewell
Exactly - have long contended the root issue in OW 1, above all, was the poor play by many DPS players, not just double-shield, strong supports with CC, etc. - too many didn’t think, they were just twitch players who couldn’t handle the game. That we have this meme right now from OW 2 that “hurrr Supports mad cuz bad can’t position” is the biggest absurdity ever. It is and always has been that the worst positioning role overall was DPS. The speed boost just allowed them to now position with even less skill in OW 2 than before. Everyone else had their skill floor raised while simultaneously DPS had their floor lowered. Even Silver supports position much better than the average DPS in Gold and Plat.
This is projection yo
Supports don’t want a skill based game. It’s clear that OW2 beta was too difficult to play for a majority of support players because they didn’t want to outplay their opponents.
See how easy that was?
The problem is the Match Making System, they always need to work on it for better balances matches.
If that’s the way you want to interpret what I said. I designed this post to not only encourage discussion but also draw in a specific crowd. If you feel personally attacked then that should provoke self reflection as to why you feel that way.
Encourage what discussion? Your op was designed with a strawman. And then used an anecdotal evidence to support that strawman.
I don’t feel personally attacked. However, your post was trash. It’s tribalistic in nature just like all the “dps bad” posts, yet you didn’t even make a solid point. Just “you don’t want skill game you want easy game!”
No, I want a skill-based game. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
I would say there was plenty of discussion. You disagree with what is obviously an opinion and instead of refuting it with your own anecdotal support, you attack the basis of my original post and then proceed to attack me.
What you would say is tribalistic, I would say borders on absurdist satire with an emphasis on personal experience to provoke responses from those that ARE happy that DPS aren’t being punished for bad play due to the new format.
“You don’t want a skill based game” is not an opinion. It’s an objective statement, born from ignorance.
Since you made a poor argument in the form of strawman and anecdotal evidence, why would I present my own anecdotes as counterargument? And I did refute your statement though, by straight up telling you you’re ignorance since I do want a skill based game.
Also if you don’t want to be attacked, don’t be toxic.
Yeah I bet you would.
But you were still tribalistic.
Barriers and Genji. Also snipers.
Hey, you came into a pretty much dead thread and thought you’d educate me. I was expressing my opinion just as you are free to express yours.
Difference is, I’m not saying you are dumb for having your opinion.
But here’s the thing, there is skill in OW1. Try reading the whole thread and if there isn’t anything not discussed, then add to the thread, otherwise you sound ignorant since, well, everything you’re saying has already been said.
Also, you’re name is shimada, so since my anecdote was of a bad genji player being rewarded, you claiming you don’t feel attacked is kinda flimsy. Sounds to me like you took it personally and lashed out emotionally.
Either way, this thread is dead, let it lie. I’m gonna read some other threads and get other people’s opinions… and not shut them down because they’re different than my own.
If you think Genji counters Cassidy then…
Not sure what to say to that Cassidy beats genji at all ranges atleast in OW1.
Also barriers counter almost all damage but most importantly Cassidy is a barrier breaker.
Also you know who counters snipers barriers just like you said Cassidy also doesnt have to peek the Sniper if you play around corners they have to move positions at some point.
Its disingenous to say snipers counter cassidy too because depending on range either counters eachother.
It’s a skill based matchup. Neither player has a significant advantage or disadvantage, but Genji can generally outmaneuver McCree.
If you can not outplay a McCree player at any range while using Genji, you suck at playing Genji.
It’s strange how much copium you’ve taken in order to convince yourself that Cassidy has no weaknesses.
Uhh McCree has the advantage. Genji doesn’t have a chance until he gets close, and then it’s kind of a skill matchup. If he has flash you practically need to get in his face to avoid getting flashed around deflect, but he could also roll back and flash around it, and Genji player should try to play around los to avoid getting stunned in sight.
McCree is not a hard counter, but he definitely has advantage on Genji. If you don’t see that, you suck at playing McCree.
He doesnt all his matchups are skill based or requisites, he has 0 hard counters.
He has nothing like the feeling of playing any projectile into pharah which is a hard counter he experiences nothing like that Cassidy is almost never a bad pick.
“Can we swap the genji” “The junkrats not working” etc you will hear alot you will barely if ever hear “Can we swap the cassidy”