You can't NERF brigitte without making her trash

And that would also not change the element of her still being tilting to play against other than the fact we simply just won’t be seeing the hero ever again, which is unhappy for the people who DO like to play brigitte, and would like to see more of her in the long run. And here’s why.
(forgive me, i posted it as a youtube comment and also brought it here to see what you guys think.)

As a tank main, here is how WE feel. There is now HARD cc in every role. And the cc that came before ALWAYS had an element of being counter played. Brigitte has a stun on a 5 second cooldown, and is the EASIEST by FAR to land. The only thing in the game that actually blocks it is a Projected barrier which is on an 8 second cooldown. The counterplay simply isn’t there, and the heroes you are able to play without putting yourself at a massive disadvantage are not viable so she can just walk up and bash straight through your shield, and it feels like a cheese element, while it isn’t exactly HARD to overcome. It is simply NOT FUN TO DO THAT.
Because of her armor stacking ult, the meta is revolving around the gravonstrike combo.

All we are seeing is gravonstrike game after game after game. And its simply because the only other ults in game that could achieve the same effect as the damage coming out of gravonstrike, put the user at total risk of being INSTANTLY shut down.

That AND the fact that the dragonstrike can be damage boosted rendering a trance completely useless unless your reinhardt lands a GREAT shatter disabling the would be damage booster, and only then can your zen safely trance without wasting an ultimate. That all comes back to brigitte, snuffing out other heroes being viable against her because of a non telegraphed stun and the fact you can’t engage her because even if you did, unless you are able to swing through her barrier, you can’t focus her down. (and in genjis case who CAN swing through it, remember you are in constant danger of being instantly shut down by her stun.)
The restricting nature of brigitte while NOT OP, Is incredibly un fun and devoid of the ability to choose anything else.

It was released as a META CHANGING HERO. All the while, Dive is by no means dead, so it failed that, and at the same time, managed to piss off ALL of the community, and managed to push 18 out of 28 heroes on the roster into the below 2% pickrate bracket. It was NOT a good addition to overwatch. We got just one more hero, and kicked most of the other heroes into the realm of if you pick them your team will hate you for it.

I personally am hoping they not only change the cooldown for shield bash, but rather change the elements of its use, have her shield match the time it takes for all other shields to be used in game, as the shield bash is much more cheese if she can flick barrier and instantly bash you, Reinhardt barrier takes close to a second to pull it up for it to be at all effective, while brigittes is near enough instant. I would also change the element of brigittes shield being up for the full time of shield bash, and even after can still be held up with no gaps (which shuts down the rest of the hero pool, not talking about tracer or genji, im talking about being able to use hitscans to get damage in and such, instead of NEEDING a hero with mobility or extreme damage or the ability to ignore a shield completely.) I would rather the shield bash animation be NOT a dash, rather than a run up and the shield is swiped from the center up to the side to bash with a small knockback, and followed up by a flail slam (this would look awesome and make shield bash a 2 part damage hit) in which the slam portion would deliver the stun and would NOT go through shields, this works against dive tanks, as the run up makes her step through a barrier, but the knockback would send reinhardt steps back, and the flail would not land the stun, but against dive, who have static barriers, the brigitte would already have crossed the barrier threshold and knocked a dive tank back into the bubble and slamming that stun in there.

That idea is overall MORE CC but removes the element of CHEESE on said stun, the massive reason people are unhappy with the ability, is there is actually no counter to it (the stun from brigitte is currently 6 seconds vs the only ability that can block it being an 8 second ability cooldown, with the uptime of the ability being counted its closer to 10 seconds, as the cooldown doesnt start till after the bubble ends). Its just take the stun like a man and move on. You can’t just “outplay it”. Having it the way it is now restricts players to the LEAST diverse meta we have ever seen, regardless of the OWL having its “most diverse meta” simply because their portion of the game functions differently to the one we play, because of their HEAVY element of teamplay, but even if the ladder did function that way, it would still be an anti fun mechanic to keep her how she is now, and because the hero is inherently broken by bad design, you can’t just numbers fix her to stop being OP as she would go from viable to UNPLAYABLE. They need to change the core aspects of how her kit works to achieve any result that will be happy for both sides.

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Let’s conclude this.

Easy to play while also being easy to contribute with, is NOT a good option.

The game has been out for over 2 years. Instead of adding heroes that require 5 minutes of practice, or have one shot abilities or CC’s left and right, We were hoping for more mechanically challenging and balanced heroes.

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I do feel that is a big problem too :l
Hopefully future heroes will keep the other 28 in game heroes in mind when being created instead of looking at the current meta and being like “this is what we don’t like and the community needs a solid counter that they can all pickup and use to counter it ASAP”

Nerf her shield bash to 8 seconds lets see how she performs

Wow she can still instakill whoever she shield bashes as long as they’re 150~200 hp wow huge nerf

wait she still can use her op ult, high self sustain from self and a 600 hp shield + weird hitbox and a boop tool? wow

she can still heal and negate things with her E like tracers pulse or reins charge after shield bash nerf? wow

she still has more mobility than over half the cast even after the shield stun cd nerf? wow

she will not be trash tier or even underpowered, shield bash is not her only redeeming factor

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Uhh i think you missed the point, nerfing her to the point that the other heroes are suddenly allowed back in game means brigitte who is already a kinda bad hero against teamplay, will be bad PERIOD. Not just nerfing the shield bash, if you read the post, its how the mechanics work that shut out most of the roster, and that’s why, if they just give her nerf after nerf to that point. they will make brig a trash pick, because with the kit she has, she is unbalancable while at the same time not shutting people completely out due to that one ability being in how it works, just like it is.

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Her ult was over the top that needed to be slightly adjusted
everything else besides her shield bash duration even in ptr is fine, her shield bash still needs a slightly higher cd like to 7 or 8 and that’s all she would need

your post title makes it sound like any changes to her would kill her, so sorry if I misinterpreted

:stuck_out_tongue: the posts meat is always important, even if the bread (title) is multigrain xD

You know that stun is the thing that lets her deal with flankers and everything else you change the animation like that she isn’t hitting anything cept Ana and Zen but they wouldn’t be close enough for that to happen so that would dumpster her since she wouldn’t be effective

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she would run directly forward with quick steps and bash them with a knockback (while the shield gets swept to the side) in a telegraphed line (similar to locked momentum like doomfists uppercut but only backwards instead of up) into a stun that will ONLY miss if a shield gets between her and the target. It works if it’s made correctly, I leave that part to the overwatch devs rather than including every detail by myself. And theres the cool sidenote that you could call it “Bash and Slam” and she could say something cool like “I learned THAT from Reinhardt” and maybe on use on Reinhardt have a sassy line to mock him for killing him with the slam portion.

Lol she can’t “insta-kill” anyone. Her combo takes 3 abilities, casts over a second and only does 155 damage / specifically to counter Tracer.

After that, it is 2 swings (or a melee cancel into a swing) and that takes her to 1.6iasb to 2.2 seconds - which gasp oh shock and horrors - is the typical ttk. And it only uses her cool downs (besides the heal) .

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If that’s a telegraphed attack like that flankers would be able to dodge easily because mobility and rein would be able to block it not to mention she’s still a melee hero which people with range can still destroy her shield making the move useless anyway

Your basically hard nerfing her with this change in animation since it has a knockback in the first place and then a shield blocking the stun which makes you wonder why pick her at all at that point

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You misunderstand or I misportrayed it, The line they travel in is telegraphed, the quick step forward will be much the same as the current shield bash is now.
And while it is a nerf, its overall more CC, but done in a way that has counterplay, as the current version of brigitte the community as a whole is HATING her. This is a nerf that brings others back into the game, but doesn’t bring them back in a way that destroys brigitte wholly from being playable at all.

Still saying a wind up time for her specifically is bad since she’s a melee hero outside of whip shot which locks you into animation for shooting and retracting and is a skill shot it also can’t go through barriers

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well it instakills tracer

other heroes she still kills within 3 seconds which is super good considering her left click is longer than reins and well it may as well be aimbot in the general direction like winstons

2.2 seconds to kill consistently is not something you’re gonna see on heroes that have to aim like mccree and soldier in masters and any rank below, brigitte on the other hand does it across all ranks

but even so like, everyone is just asking for her shield bash to be changed to 7 or 8 seconds, nothing more, 7-8 sec cd wont kill her

It’s not a wind up time. It moves forward quickly like current shield bash, but the shield will swipe sideways, and followed quickly by a flail slamming onto the target that she hit with the shield, it’s not a skillshot, but instead a ability that will slap onto the target as a locked slap. If you get hit by the shield bash portion, the flail WILL follow up and hit the target 100% unless a shield steps in and interrupts its travel.
Hope that clears that up

Where have I seen this before?
Flashback
Any nerfs to Genji will make him trash
Any nerfs to Tracer will make her trash

Yeah I’m pretty sure nerfs didn’t ruin them.
It was something else that I can’t remember at this moment…

I think maybe increase bash to 7-8 seconds but increase her passive to 24-30 hps would be s good thing to test

Ok we will take this slow can rein block the bash before and during the animation

No he cant block the shield bash portion, the knockback portion is her running forward and throwing him back with the shield, just if Reinhardt kept the shield up, he would block the flail slam. So her quick dash runs through shields still. And the damage may be increased on the ability to 30 dmg on the bash and 40+stun on the flail slam.

So making it a useless ability since if you can block the stun there is no point in picking her since she can’t keep targets in her range to do damage