You can outplay Ana’s nade. You can only bait out suzu

This is the major difference this forum doesn’t seem to understand. I can block an ana nade with my shield or I can eat it as Dva. You can even miss it! Not so with kiri.

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Ana’s nade also tries to kill you while Suzu will not.

I’d like to see you stop Ana from self healing herself by tossing nade into the ground and gaining the healing bonus to all sources. The fact suzu doesn’t actually kill anyone while Ana nade can burst heal her team AND dmg/debuff the enemy at the same time.

Ana nade is amazing for pivoting bad situations. Suzu ‘can’ pivot bad situations, but not from any damage it does. Only because whoever was going so deep for a kill relied upon getting that kill to survive and if they failed to get it they are dead.

Those suicide plays are stupid.

While we are at it.
Bionade 10sec, 4m, 30m/s
Suzu 14sec, 5m, 35 m/s

So… how exactly is ‘missing’ with bionade an issue or not?

You can eat suzu just the same. What’s the point here? Suzu is also blocked by LoS to shield too. Its a reason Sigma barrier behind tanks or Winston over tanks is kind of good at screwing over Kiriko. The only thing you can’t do is face tank the bionade to stop someone else getting healed behind you, but face tanking bionade debuff is sort of the stronger value anyway.

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The title of your post is literally the same thing?

Also you CAN block Suzu with barriers, and eat it with matrix abilities

You can even deflect it as Genji

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Ya nade does 4 insanly strong things all at once 300 healing and damage removing all healing form the enemys and improving all the healing your team takes. While suzu cleanses and heals a good amount only if everyone has dots

If genji deflects either its a bad play by the ana or kiriko same goes for sigma suck. Dm is the only one with adequate range to make it reasonable

Ana forcing you to play only a shield tank and then having to hold the shield reactively would be poor in and if itself, but she doesn’t have to hit you or your shield to use it, since it has a large splash radius. She always has the advantage as the initiator, since you can’t force her to throw it.

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This is honestly why Ana has dominated support OVER Kiriko despite being able to cleanse since season 3 because why the hell would you actually try to cleanse TWO CC abilities with a longer cooldown than either one of them? People finally learned after 2 seasons of Kiriko that its like… wait a minute. We can still murder things just as efficiently as Ana compared to Kiriko and even easier.

In the large case of irony, Ana counters Kiriko because you are forced to have to keep suzu around for bionade/sleep dart attempts and therefore cant’ use it for big ults. If Kiriko keeps going on the offensive burning a 14sec cooldown to avoid dying. Its so easy to bait out the suzu with Ana too ahead of any ult usage for a team.

And to think it used to heal 100 hp too per target lol

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Dude you’ve been making these threads almost daily about how Kiriko is “literally ruining the game”, you’re a sombra main you have no place to complain about something that hard counters you as being “OP”. It’s like if a Pharah main complained about D.va, Soldier 76, or Illari.

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Ignoring the fact that Suzu is missable, blockable, and eatable, almost every defensive ability is unavoidable. How can I stop Reaper from using Wraith Form? Why can’t I eat Junkerqueen’s shout? Just kill them when it wears off.

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Ahh… If they are a Sombra main, you may have found the answer. They’ll be bitter about some Kiriko preventing their virus kills. How dare they! :open_mouth:

Ana hard counters a whole bunch of things (which I think is fine), but Kiriko doesn’t really hard counter anything and is far from the power level of Bap and Illari. Calm down.

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let me remind you that suzu exists only to counter ana and yet nade is still too strong.

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Suzu also doesn’t have nearly the potential that grenade has and is on a longer cooldown.

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Anti will kill you, suzu will not. That alone should be a good reason why. Also its stupid that both of Anas mega debuffs are on a shorter cooldown than the only counter ability for them in the game.

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No, but you wouldn’t care

then what was suzu made for

Counterplay and clutchplay
There are many situations you couldn’t deal with before and now you have an actual tool
Hook, Virus (yes Kiriko shuts down Sombra pretty well), Cassidies magnetic grenade, antinade, Reins charge, last second save from dying, counterplay to ults

If you think the only use for Suzu is anti nade, than what heck are you playing

But acting like it wasnt made for it is also wrong anas purple is the most value you will get from it in the game hands down and non of those hero you think ow ill go kiriko but you do do that with ana

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Both are bad?

Yeah. Both are bad :+1:

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Everything written in this thread is wrong. Every single word.

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literally everything you just said could still apply to kiriko

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Sure you can, by bursting on the tank, because without throwing it on her tank to boost her heals, she cannot possibly keep up with the burst damage.