here we go again… these shills man
And this is how you get games were on genji is tearing up your supports all game, because you got a zen ana lineup and neither are good at aiming at anything that isn’t a tank.
Were as a moiria, mercy, brig, and more would easily be able to get away or engage the Genji at the medal ranks.
You can make up for lack of mechanics by choosing a hero that counteracts said heroes general interactions.
Were as mid diamond and higher mechanics will be much more important, be it you can double down with counter picks your good at.
I literally been playing Zen and killing Genjis and Tracers. Them going Mercy Brig or Moira isn’t potentially going to change their outcome against a Genji killing them unless they literally understand the hero. Which isn’t common in Metal ranks unless Smurf or player taking their SR from being higher rank for easier games.
I mean it doesn’t take much to know moira can beam through the deflect, and her self heal + orb can sustain you long enough to get the kill or finish up low targets.
mercy isn’t hard to control either, point at a team mate jump and jump again. And genji can’t keep up.
brig needs to land abilities so she might need more specialization, but she will live longer and is pretty easy to get healing off of.
Which is honestly all you might need in some cases.
Like these heroes are not that complex to have a base line effectiveness, and unless you are a completely new player. Most of us has had some experience with said heroes. Like you can main whatever, but like if your dead most the round your not exactly helping anyone.
Dps suffer less from this and are a lot more interchangeable, but it is good to have a pocket beam/turret hero. Like you can shut down a sombra/echo/tracer by keeping turret in your back line that does nothing but peel. Especially if your an sniper player, or tend to play low mobility heroes in general.
if not stall for a considerably decent amount of time to kill the someone on the enemy team.
while bastion being really good at dealing with riens at those levels. Especially with kiriko’s that basically save suzu as an tank specific counter tool.
Im not asking you to be a widow main now.
I’m not saying counterpicking is wrong.
But thinking that just having a team-mate switch to hero X and you will win is a presumtion you cannot rely on.
Sure, it should be like this, but reality is different.
Someone who has 200 hrs on hero Y, and then 6 hrs on hero Z, you think their effectiveness will be the same?
If your enemy is playing their main… say Dive Tank, with over 500 hrs on that hero, countering them by picking a hero is not really something you can expect. Sure it happens in a lot of cases, but it’s not a surefire method to countering heroes.
Their are many picks that don’t require much understanding to play properly.
Pharah is the off example as she isn’t countered properly till the higher ranks funny enough.
But isn’t as effective at getting kills as other dps in lower ranks. If anything she is a lot like a sniper in that regard.
if hero y is spending most of the game dead, and not being of help to the team comp in question. Like bapt in a dive comp, up against another dive comp.
Then ya hero Z would be a lot more help. Especially if their simply just living longer, and giving more time for the team to deal with the issue at hand.
This is why Overwatch 2 is greater than OW1
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OW2 requires less skill than OW1, it is more deathmatch than ever.
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It was during the push toward beta I believe in one of their their streams but it may have been one of their interview streams as well. Go back to 2022.
I need source proper, as people talk about this in terms of their own personal experience not so much a statement by the devs.
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No team play is still a thing, be it the outcome of duels are more dependent on your performance then say having someone to peel for you always.
Which makes it a tad more skill intensive.
Go ahead and look for it. I know what I’ve heard before OW2 came out. I don’t really care enough to go back and site an actual source because you think I’m misinterpreting a statement.
I dont know where OP said ‘‘just counterpick without experience’’?
It is not more skill intensive to pick the current most overpowered hero and pretend you are playing cod.
I googled it, couldn’t find it. Your not providing it. So i’m taking it as a maybe to not a thing for now.
dude still thinks Sojourn is overpowered. A hero that needed to land headshots to be good anyway.
Games moved past that point.
It was indeed a thing.
Fire go back to old forum posts referencing this very topic:
Then there is this blog post that talks about new heroes reducing the need for countering specific heroes:
But, as I said, you would also need to go through old videos where the devs actually verbally stated as such. Either in their early streams back in 2022 or one of the few interview streams with streamers.
You won’t find a statement made in a stream that was about multiple topics by a simple google search citing countering.
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Ah thank thank you,
be it the devs did partially get their, counters stop becoming a thing the higher the rank you go.
Were as lower ranks they will just shut down heroes all together.
You just lost support of the entire forums with that
Meh wouldn’t be the first time, I was the guy who broke down a lot of the 5v5 game design before it was released. And mostly nailed how things will playout.
Like the community backlash for saying tanks will be fine in 5v5 was a lot worse then this.
It’s also why I used most. As in more then 50%. Some games just won’t come together, but those are significantly less common then what people are saying.
As I’m asking for gameplay codes, and in most cases people throw me things with an obvious thrower on their team. Or simply got coutnerpicked at the start of the match and no one swapped till like the last couple of fights.
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Have you respectfully asked them to swap?
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Don’t directly ask for the swap point out the counter, and give an response to get around it. And only do that a fight or two in. As sometimes it just works out anyway, or they get the feeling something is wrong themselves.
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