Xim users be aware

If it doesn’t exist… There wouldn’t be videos on how to reduce it.

If they have been on the forums any time in the last week, they are very much aware :slight_smile:

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Your opinion dont matter tbh.
You dont even play the game :man_shrugging:

I didn’t think they were removing aim assist? Did I miss that?

Not for regular console play, just for ximmers once they’re forced into the pc pools for fairness.

I must’ve missed this episode of forums adventures what a plot twist :rofl:

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The aim assist doesnt matter. Its a mechanic problem. On roller low mechanical skiill heroes like moira, reaper etc will always be better than Widow for example. Even now where xim players are playing its overall the case. Mercy on console is one of the best heroes in the game. The ban of xim will raise that even more.

This is also false. You think the xim turns your console game into a pc game and that you have the same mechanical feeling as a native mkb player on pc. It’s not even close.

But on this casual forum where 99% of the users are between gold and plat and takes like „60fps vs 240fps is fine“ I know why people don’t know things like that.

Even the console pool between Xbox and PS players is not „fair“. The game is bettet playable on Xbox.
They have an advantage.

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With games that have PC and Console versions, in many cases the console population is closer to 20 to 40 percent of the population base.

There are a estimated 1.1 Billion PC Players World Wide and 611 Million Console players. While consoles are easier to access and lower cost in many cases vs PC.

That being said. XIM usage in cross play has pretty much ruined my experience on too many occasions. XIM players are too often taking advantage of a broken AIM Assist function that turns into a poor man’s AIM bot.

I do feel for players who however have issues health issues. While they are unfairly caught up in this dragnet, it is a issue that needs to be addressed.

Out of interest what advantages does Xbox have?

Because I think both can do 120 right?

:thinking:

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That may well be the case. I’m going with numbers reported back in January about how the OW playerbase is split.

Yes, they both run on 120fps.
It has to do with the mechanics. The Xbox Controller has a way higher stick resolution. Because of that the aim assist and mechanics overall interact way better on the Xbox version and controller. Its not only for hitscan players an advantage. Even projectile heroes like Hanzo are way better playable on Xbox since the aim assist interacts better.

Its not only with the controller on its own. Even the Xim Xbox users have an advantage over the Ps5 Xim users.

What the xim does is EMULATE the controller you are playing with.
It is NOT a native mkb module.

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rip KSA lmfao nothing personal

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I thought the exact same thing when I head Blizzard bans it :joy:
They will lose so many players its insane.

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The only advantage I can see consoles having over PC is that for a competitive environment the hardware is basically on a level playing field with each other. 120 fps acrossed the board and roughly, similar resolution and graphics settings, and they’re all using the same input method(not including cheaters in that). Where as PC players have all kinds of hardware configurations and thus bottlenecks and they run from a range of fps thresholds from 30fps all the way up to 240fps and beyond so depending on your rig you might actually have an edge. Xim isn’t an advantage just because it’s mouse wnd keyboard alone. It’s an advantage because it has mouse and keyboard and aim assist along with it which basically comes close to aim not. Another person in here called it the “poor man’s aim bot”. A pretty accurate statement. And I believe Cronus for exampl has scripts that can be run so their is no recoil for example…they are 100% devices for cheating. This lyrics guy sounds like a user of xim. He sure is defending it hardcore. There is no justification of it, period. And he is wrong about overwatch dying on console due to banning it. If ximming is mostly high elo, and high elo is a minority of the community then how would the game die? Even if they all left it’s a small fraction of the community. What blizzard needs to do is allow regular mouse and keyboard on console without aim assist(which they did say they’re looking into) and then problem solved. Console players watch PC players and pro play and naturally want to play that way and unfortunately that’s not really easy to do on console. In the beginning of rainbow six siege days the pro scene actually included Xbox players. I’d like to see overwatch do the same. If they allow mouse and keyboard and the consoles both are capable of 120fps I see no reason why it couldn’t be done or shouldn’t be done. And furthermore when next Gen comes around it’ll be even more viable. We are heading in the right direction in overwatch. More so than we have in a long long time. While I don’t agree with all of blizzards decision making it is now apparent they are definitely trying at least and I’ll take that as a win. People like lyric will take a mile if you give em an inch. Tread cautiously with that one.

Only if those players are put into the PC pool. (I’m just clarifying what I think you mean here already.)

I’m confused. If you think lower mechanical skill heroes are already better, then xim isn’t having the effect you believe? But my bigger confusion is trying to understand why you believe this matters. Can you explain why widow needs to be stronger on console than moira?

This is particularly true.
But it has not the same feeling as native MKB. Most casual players here think that plugging in the xim magically turns your console game into a PC game.
It isnt even close as PC MKB native feeling.

If you lose as a pc player with native MKB (not playing on a toaster on 60fps) to a console player, even IF he uses a xim you are just trash.
Native MKB is MUCH stronger.
Also OW on PC has a much higher FOV which also gives an advantage. (I am very sure most casuals here doesnt know that.)

This is true but it has nothing to do with OW. There are 2 heroes that have „recoil“ Soldier and Bap but both are so easy to control you dont need a script.

There are tons of reasons.
IF they implement native MKB and thats it it would be a joke. The console version then also needs the same FOV, a way higher turnspeed, actual MKB settings etc.

Like I explained it will not even close to be „fair“.

This is my problem with this forum and all the casual players. They have their „own definition“ of „fairness“ mostly because they have absolutely no clue/knowledge about the game mechanics etc.

The heroes themselves are not „better“.
Moira on console with a controller is just far better than a Cassidy with a Controller.

It has the effect. The xim makes high mechanical skilled heroes in the game Viable.

Widow doesnt „need“ to be the better hero.

I explain it like that:
On PC with a mouse you can get widows full potential (IF the player has skill).

On console with a Roller you cant even archive widows potential since you are limited by roller input.
For Moira it doesnt matter that much.

My point is, that high mechanical skill heroes are not even close to be as viable on controller as low mechanical skill heroes.

Last season Top500 was full of widows, Cass, Soldier etc.

Next season top500 will be full of Junkrat and Reaper and thats it.

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Sorry, I have trouble following you before this point, so I just want to focus on this. Why do you think this is a problem?

To make it clearer. What you are saying is that because you can’t aim on “roller” that no one can. Thus your argument is that aimbots are needed for pc, for the same reason.

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Because people who wants to main those higher skilled typed of characters are messed up. Thats why.
You simply cant archive their full potential since you are limited to the mechanics of the roller.

Dude :skull: this is probably the most braindead comparison ive ever heard.

You CANT play heroes like Widow or Cass or tracer on Roller like you can on Mouse.
I am not even talking about the movement WASD. I am talking mostly about the aim.
It is not „you cant aim with a roller just get gud“ the heroes are NOT DESIGNED to play them with a Roller.
Overwatch itself is not designed to play on a roller.
But there are tons of heroes where it doesnt matter that much. Like Moira, Mercy, Junkrat etc.

Why a Mouse on a Widow is better than on a Junkrat - this is something you can understand??? Or do I also have to explain you why that is the case??? :skull:

You compare a different input device with an AI that simply does EVERYTHING for you.

You know that there are hardstuck plat XIM users on console ?? There are different SKILLED players with the device.

Using an Aimbot - pure cheats is not a comparison. There is NO hardstuck Plat aimbot user.

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Going to be hard to continue this conversation with you, as it is.

“I’m terrible at aim, so the only way I could reach widows full potential is with an aimbot.”

It’s not an incorrect statement, but it is cheating and should be banned. I don’t understand why this upsets you?

Is it because you will go from GM to gold on console once your aimhack is removed?

It doesn’t matter if xim or chronus max mirror the “native feeling” of mouse and keyboard perfectly or not. Using the device is cheating and it creates an unfair advantage and that is the main point and the reason blizzard has finally decided to do something about it. It is a good thing. I’m aware of the FOV, but that statement doesn’t change the fact ximming or using chronus is cheating.

I’m pretty sure blizzard could implement whatever sensitivity set up PC has if a console user decides to use a m&kb(assuming that is approved). It’s not that big of a deal, you also have dpi settings you can adjust too. And a lot of very good ow players use lower sensitivity. I think defran was on like 800dpi. You put too much stock in small stuff.