🤓 Would you move Sym or Sombra to Support?

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Symmetra. She’s an OG support.

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Symmetra, keep her in 3.0 form but make shield generator an alternative to teleporter and give it a smaller radius to make up for her new ult and it’s higher uptime

Also, buff her turret damage and lower cooldown while nerfing her primary fire damage some. She’d be back to her support roots.

The only problem with doing something like that though is you’re sacrificing one of your two required supports for thos, so non-healing supports are even less viable now.

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Sym so we get shield generator back and overall sym 2.0 which is the superior version

Not sombra though, please don’t, you’re making a mistake

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Am I either or till Devs go a direction

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For Sym to support, I’d lower her damage a tad and let her charge up temporary shields on an ally with her primary. Maybe lower turret slowdown.

For Sombra to support, make hacked healthpacks burst when grabbed, to heal in a radius, and cause damage her allies deal to hacked targets shorten their ability cooldowns.

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sombra is support, she only deals damage to charge a support ult, but support role only have healing heroes, so right now you cant pass her . and sym should be reworked to change role, but i think she is ok in dps role

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Or granting shield health to allies that go near them. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Yea, I just figured with 222 and healing being a part of all supports kits now it would be a way to give her the ability to heal while not making it her focus. I feel like if she didn’t heal at all people would get mad if you picked her.

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Symm. The way her kit flows would be easier to rework into it. Sombra tends to suffer from having to rely on teammates, with Symm I can see an easier time with working with teammates.

Of course thats just an on the surface opinion. Realistically a lot of the time teams don’t really try to work together until the higher ranks.

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Again should clarify: they still see supports as Defensive Supports

Meaning some heroes (who are supports) are viewed as offensive supports

aka still using that offensive/ defensive “theory”

Which we have proven not to exist over and over

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Hey doom, so what do you think of these changes Symmetra Healer Concept -- reeddited

i’ve removed the CC completely after your feedback and focused on another idea.

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I would drop the drones concept

That’s likely gonna be Overlords thing

Stick with something “car wash” like (kinda Sym’s theme)

Also don’t remove the Teleporter or Sym’s regular Ult… since they already support abilities

Lastly whenever you “heal” … be more replacing lost health with Shields

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She needs at least two methods of healing her team on her kit. Her ultimate makes more sense as a support, not as a DPS.

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Meanwhile posted 🛰 (MIG) Echo the best new hero OW doesn’t need

(Will post a better description under the video later)

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I’d pick Sombra, just so we can rework her into something less annoying.

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Sombra.
Hacked health-packs give 50% more HP.
Her ult would burst-heal for 250 HP alongside the hack.
25% reduction in enemy-hack time.
“Hacking” teammates lowers their cooldowns somehow and heals them for a small amount.

Obviously curb her damage, either through raw values or spread.

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Is it safe to use shields though? I thought players didnt want shielding … ill quickly adjust stuff around.

I used drones since there are players who wanted to use sentry idea and since sentry healing was meh by blizz i decided drones.

Why do you feel its overlording things?
We can just have them focus one thing which is just healing and if the player is full of hp, i’ll just give them a bit of shields to a cap.

I am also trying to change her abilties while trying to keep it similar so am not likely gonna reuse any of her old concept designs.

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Sombra. Support has come to mean “Healer” over time, and at the very least her ability to hack health packs somewhat covers that.

If they gave back her ult build from health pack usage and maybe change her hack a bit (hacked healers heal less or allow her to “overload” her team mates maybe or decrease how long packs are hacked, increase the health given, and allow counter hacking?) and I think she could fit as a support…just barely.

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You know, I suddenly have this new idea.

Echo plays and feels a lot like Mercy. Her E is like a Valkyrie burst on CD, her glide is very similar.

So instead of moving Sombra or Symmetra to support, why not bring in playstyle-wise similar heroes, but more geared toward support utility, than the utility serving the flanking DPS role, or the zoning DPS role?

Not just ctrl+c, ctrl+v carbon copies, no, but heroes that also utilize similar mechanics, just built with a modified kit.

In the case of Sombra, I could imagine a younger girl following in her footsteps - And using the tech for various things to help others in her poor neighborhood, eventually becoming a hero that we could play as a support.

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Sombra as Cleanse Hero sounds very cool. I can actually imagine her as a healer by giving Hack the ability to enhance teammates and lower cooldowns while giving them a HoT (Healing over Time). Her other abilites dont really work for Support, perhaps Stealth could be replaced with something more heal-like.

Symmetra on the other hand was never a healer and will never be. If she was turned into a support, she should have a Guard Playstyle. She sticks with the other healer and prevents their death while buffing all teammates with additional Shield HP or perhaps a new kind of HP that weakens Burst abilities like McCree’s Primary or Hanzo’s Primary. Her second ability could be a Sentry Turret, but as a Drone that flies with a teammate and Protects them via additonal Shield HP and the slowing Beam from the turret on nearby enemies. Of course, her gun had to be changed back to be more 2.0-like. I’d LOVE to see a Lock-on beam with less lock-on range (Beam width, not length) and damage than 2.0, but therefor it disables movement-based abilites (same as Graviton Surge) on max Level. Her secondary would just be slow, spammable orbs again. With or without pierce, depending on Sym’s powerlevel. And perhaps somehow get the 2.0 barrier into this kit too. Like, Barrier on E and Health Buff and Drone together on Shift. With all of these denials, she could probably work as non-heal support.
However, I think this would more lead towards a tanking Kit than support. And I’d LOVE to see her in her 2.0 off-tank role again!