Would be nice if Doom got nerfed for a change

One of the highest win rates of all tanks at all ranks and a decent to high pick rate at all ranks… and that is with busted Mauga for a large part of the last month.

…and yes Tracer needs the same treatment. A hero that has a very high skill ceiling should not be a good pick at every single rank.

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I’m not going to comment on whether I think Doom should be nerfed or not since I don’t know how he’s performing, personally.

I will say though that there’s nothing worse than facing an absolutely cracked Doom or Ball, actual hell on Earth.

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Agreed. Doom should never be a strong hero because he’s one of the more obnoxious heroes to play against (yes people will complain about whatever hero is strong but doom is not fun to play against). IMO the perfect state for doom to be in is where his specialists can play him well but there’s no reason to pick him in most situations, kinda how he was in season 1.

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he’s basically in every single game now he needs giganerfs already

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Hope ur not complaining about the sym nerfs then, that would make you a hypocrite.

Can you drop in price a bit already so I can buy you

Uhhh no it wouldn’t. Sym is basically unplayable right now. Season one doom was a decent hero when used by his specialists, sym is just universally terrible right now. And why would I have the same perspective of sym as of doom? They are pretty different heroes. And btw I have no pro-sym bias, I think she’s a bit annoying but she doesn’t deserve her current state whatsoever.

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My problem with doom is that his playstyle revolves around stunning and outlasting his opponents in duels by stunning them over and over, but doom does a lot of damage on top of it so it feels super cheesy for a doom to punch you into a wall and stun you and in those frames of you being stun he deletes you with like 2 shots. Stun hero’s should win duels by stunning and outlasting. Not by stunning and getting a free kill because you do high damage.

This is also how Ball should be. Mid unless you are crazy good. I say this as a Ball player who has peaked on tank multiple times playing mostly ball.

They should NEVER be meta and they sure as heck shouldn’t be good in low ranks.

Part the issue is the uptime along with the fact he is a tank doing that… no other tank can pull this off solo like Doom can. Ball and Winston can survive for a long time but they are not doing much solo… then you guy random plat guy picking up Doom with low playtime somehow killing half a team solo.

Doom is such a polarizing hero. He has such a high carry potential, also a horribly low floor of value. Its more common for Fistman to throw or carry, not play inbetween. Thats a weird statement that doesn’t apply to a high percentage of the rest of ow roster.

That he’s the lone tank magnifies this dilemma.

I’m not sure at all how to address this, short of a rework :man_shrugging:

The reason that Doom and Ball feel bad is because they have so much mobility AND much more survivability as tanks. They really demand great situational awareness and team focus fire/ability focus in order to shut them down. Their mobility and larger than squishy health pool also allow them to get out of jail free - where as most other tanks would die if they made a bad play or positioned poorly (in a vacuum where supports weren’t around).

Do people not play sombra anymore? I dont understand.

this is not how doom and ball should be!
this is how every single hero should be. no hero deserves to be universally good or strong at low ranks and weak at high ranks or vice versa.
there should never be a reason to really pick a hero over another.
no hero should be playable unless you are a specialist on that hero.

Shouldn’t that be the opposite?

At high ranks yes. At low ranks no.

A new player should easily get more value from Orisa than Doom. Just like Moira should get far more value than Kiri in bronze. Any time low skill heros are good in GM something has gone wrong and any time high skill heros are good in bronze/silver something is also wrong.