Winston is so broken now

Any hero that has more than triple the pick rate of most other heroes in their role is overpowered. Tracer, Sojourn and Cass all need hard nerfs right now.

Tracer has been S tier for months now. I 100% agree most tracer players will say something different. They’re trying to gaslight us so that their hero stays OP. :slight_smile:

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She doesn’t though.

If you’re gonna talk stats, I’d take a look at Overbuff. Tracer doesn’t have triple the pickrate of ANYONE, not even the least picked DPS.

https://www.overbuff.com/heroes?platform=pc&role=damage&timeWindow=month

If you filter by comp, sure. But at that end it’s still not even close to being most. All but three heroes also have triple the pickrate of the lowest.

Tracer has been S tier for the better part of 8 years now. This is nothing new.

Back up your claims or don’t make them.

Winston and Tracer needed nerfs; but the devs weren’t allowed to nerf them

So we got launch Brig to deal with them

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To be clear, you’re trusting Overbuff over actual leaderboards. You’re cherry picking data that supports what you want to be true. You need to back up your claims with something less garbage than Overbuff. You know, like top 500 leaderboards. Where Tracer has dominated for months.

I agree. She should have been nerfed years ago. If Tracer was hard nerfed years ago, we never would have gotten brig, which means we never would have gotten goats, which means we never would have gotten role queue, which means we never would have gotten 5v5.

To be clear, I’m using stats representative of the general playerbase with a much larger sample size. The devs confirmed that Overbuff is mostly accurate, with the exception of very high ranks as of now. So yes. These are more relevant than yours, with a bigger sample size and more information. T500 leaderboards show WHO is getting picked, not WHY they’re getting picked. They don’t show anything but the meta.

Yeah, but the people in power disagree and so do I. It’s pretty hard to be overpowered when the game is actively balanced around you. Tracer aligns so well with the devs’ vision of the game that she gets compliments WHILE GETTING NERFED.

You’re fighting a losing battle, love.

Obviously you disagree. You’re a tracer one trick. You want your hero to be overpowered, even if that means the game overall is worse off.

If they nerfed tracer, Brig wouldn’t have ruined comp for years. You say tracer aligns with the devs vision. The devs vision is why OW2 is in such a terrible state right now. You didn’t really think that through before talking, did you?

Let’s be honest, you’re just another one trick doing mental gymnastics to keep your hero from getting toned down from S tier.

Find actual stats that show how overpowered she is. If she’s in “every game” it shouldn’t be hard.

No, you’re just upsetti spaghetti that I called out your lack of a credible source before using a credible source of my own to prove you wrong.

Cry harder :man_shrugging:t5:

She has a 22% pick rate in top 500. Excluding Cass and Sojourn, that’s over 3x higher than the next most picked hero. There are no mental gymnastics you can do to justify any hero being that overtuned.

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This is a great reminder that the biggest proponents of 6v6 have zero interest in fixing the actual, long-standing issues with 6v6.

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And T500 isn’t representative of more than 500 people. Even fully top down balancing doesn’t use a sample size that small. GM is the top 1% and Tracer isn’t anywhere near that here. Like it or not, the devs aren’t nerfing her because she’s fine.

Find a relevant source. No one will ever balance around 500 people.

Devs are absolutely going to nerf her, and people like you are going to cry about it when they do.

You’ve been crying for 8 years. I highly doubt it’ll switch like that anytime soon <3

You’re normally a pretty reasonable person on this forum. It’s honestly disappointing you act like any other one trick when your specific hero comes up.

Asking for real proof isn’t unreasonable at all, dude. I’m not gonna go along with whatever you say when my personal experience doesn’t back it up and you have no stats worth taking seriously.

I’m not acting like a one trick at all. I always ask for proof, but you’re mad because this time I’m disagreeing with you.

I’m not mad at all. At this point I expect one tricks to ignore reality to try and keep their hero strong.

I’ve had this exact same conversation with doom, DVa, Sojourn and Echo and Kiri one tricks this year, thinking off the top of my head.

If it was as you saw it, you’d have actual proof backing your claims :man_shrugging:t5:

If you can’t be rational and provide proof, I’m out.

She’s the most picked DPS hero at top ranked play if we choose to believe Overbuff. She has triple the pick rate of most other heroes in top 500.

Something tells me you just don’t want to accept any proof, because you one trick tracer. How close am I here?

https://www.overbuff.com/heroes?platform=pc&gameMode=competitive&role=damage&skillTier=grandmaster&timeWindow=month

Why lie?

This doesn’t have anything to do with Tracer being my main. I’ve advocated for Tracer nerfs before. I’m tired of people with no proof trying to make claims.

I won’t accept invalid proof. When you find something worth taking seriously, let me know. Until then, this is goodbye.

Learn to use Overbuff?

And this is 100% you being a typical one trick. I’ve had this exact same conversation with one tricks who aren’t tracer. I’ve shown you multiple ways in which tracer is a top performing DPS. You won’t accept proof because you don’t want her to be nerfed.

Or realize that Overbuff is a bad source for data, and if you want a real source, you use top 500 pick rates, which shows Tracer is unbelievably overpowered. I used leaderboards. You used a website that devs admitted recently is inaccurate. My data is more accurate than yours.

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I already linked Tracer in comparison to all other DPS. That has different numbers for every hero, so it’s clearly outdated or wrong in some other way.

And now you’re shifting the goalposts.

No one argued she wasn’t top performing.

T500 leaderboards mean nothing because not even the top 1% can be compared to them. Tracer having a 20% pickrate THERE means nothing when it’s not like that literally anywhere else. The game isn’t balanced around 500 people because that’s a ridiculous balance standard.

So no, your data isn’t more accurate. It’s objectively irrelevant. You just don’t want to admit defeat.

This is my last reply. I don’t have time to waste on someone too stubborn to give up. Ignored.