It’s the fact that armor makes him way too tanky. Not some measly 5 dps that you will never actually notice in a real game scenario
What you will notice is that he’ll still never die
We can’t keep continuing on this path where dive tanks have better survivability than the brawl tanks
Dev team dont play their own game…
They play. They played Ana. Now they play Dva
Why should they make it so Winston and D.va aren’t the most picked Tanks in the meta?
Is it such a strange concept that:
You’re just trying to have it where they indirectly buff Snipers and Sharpshooters. As if that’s supposed to be to the benefit of the overall playerbase.
Because then it would be Orissa or Mauga. And that’s proven to push people away.
Whilst monkey and dva both need nerfs… People actually enjoy playing them. So them being meta is better than boring tank players with Mauga.
That’s not the problem.
Dive tanks SHOULD be the most played, but it’s because people like the skill dive tanks require and the ability to punish their mistakes. You CANNOT punish current monkey and dva’s mistakes because armor is so broken and they are just all giga buffed.
If they were weaker but still at the top it would be fine, but they aren’t.
It’s funny watching them try to change absolutely everything about the games balance and it backfiring every single time instead of just adding an extra tank back into the game.
The game hasn’t been designed around Open Queue for more than half a Decade.
So why do you demand the devs apply Open Queue logic, to Role Queue.
And if you think “Equal Impact per Role”, and “Equal Impact per Hero” is not Open Queue Logic.
Then that’s you being incapable of seeing that “Equal Value per Hero” is Open Queue logic.
How much more blindingly obvious does that need to be?
No one is applying that logic.
No one is saying tanks should not be strong to compensate for 5v5.
But again this all leads back to that conversation, tanks needing to be this stupid to fit 5v5 is the PROBLEM. The format is garbage.
And again, you can make takes strong in less frustrating ways. Making dva and winston completely unpunishable in there mistakes because they physically cannot die before they just get a mobility tool off cooldown to escape, is GARBAGE.
It’s like you didn’t read what I said. I specifically stated dva and winston being at the top is fine, the problem is HOW they are strong or WHY they are strong which is the problem. Unkillable hero through sheer armor and survivability abilities alone, stacked on top of low cooldown mobility is the problem.
Why should I care more about what’s said, than what’s meant?
Why should I care about “Well yes, I meant that, but technically I didn’t say that verbatim, and if you ask me a clarify I won’t”
No
I said what I said, what was said was meant.
You are not going to put words in my mouth and make incorrect inferences about my words. Speak about what I said, or go argue with a mirror if you want to make up arguments that bad.
I feel bad for them. 6v6 does not work with role lock and now they have to do a test to prove what we already know.
With the nerf to most supports HP his damage is noticeable. He can dive you and you can’t push him away because he ignores most your damage and can tickle you to death before you can use most your escape tools. But before working on damage numbers they need to look at their double stacked buff of super armor and head-shot resistance they did first.
Dive isn’t the same as an unkillable no aim requirement Tank jumping your backline for free every ten seconds.
you figured they would have gotten the hint by now lol, you FAILED devs. revert and restart.
Someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning?
Not everyone plays dive and currently the 2 most frustrating tanks, dva and monkey, don’t have that much counterplay if you don’t want to play either of them. Sure, Zarya is ok into DVa, but then they can switch winston and still be meta. Hog used to be ok into winston, but the armour changes have changed that dynamic completely.
Now if you play DVa and Winston you get to run the lobby pretty much. And that’s not just at high ranks.
And if they want people to play support then having the 2 best tanks be dive tanks is not going to achieve that. Currently both Winston and DVa can dive and escape easily because of all their armour, and the buffs to DVa’s missiles means she can secure kills pretty easily then get out.
A lot of people are frustrated playing both DPS and support because there is so little counter-play against monkey and dva now.
They need to revisit either the armour changes, or reduce armour on all armour tanks including Ram and Rein.
Genius over here thinks it doesn’t matter even if Winston can delete both supports in 1s and has 1500hp. Dps and support can’t swap to winton in role Q so tanks don’t need to be balanced for other roles. The solution is to keep buffing tanks and not care at all about how it impacts the other 2 roles until tank queue = non tank queue. Why? Because role Q world. Obviously
If you say something that bottomlines to
Or
Or it’s
Then either you don’t understand the implications of what you said, or you’re actively trying to deceive.
Why should I agree with your “frame” that it’s expected behavior that “All Roles should have Equal Value”.
Because implying that knowingly, or unknowingly, is still wrong.
And good intetions, or the latest vague buzzword doesn’t change the structure of reality.
Nah, I’m just less tolerant of nonsense.
Except none of those 3 things is what I said, implied, or meant.
So again, you are making up arguments because you decided to ignore what I said and make up your own inferences.
Go argue with a mirror if you want to have make-believe arguments THAT bad.
Ironic considering you are the one putting words in my mouth and quite literally making up things to argue about, that were never actually said.
You need to get a grip gang. 75k posts and you acting like this? toooouuuuugh.