He seriously doesn’t. She just grapples away to safety while you’re on cooldown and shoots you down. Otherwise, she grapples to the safety of her team while they 6v1 some free ult charge.
It is NOT a counter if you can’t take out your counter in their natural environment under normal circumstances. I shouldn’t have to cross my fingers that her hook is on cooldown when I leap towards her. I shouldn’t have to hope the other 5 enemies don’t notice me. I shouldn’t have to rely on an entire team’s coordination to counter just one hero. That is NOT balance.
You can’t have someone that tremendously high impact and high reward be put on the backlines on a low risk and low skill “strategy” such as a hitscan camping like a coward across the map.
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I have to half agree, a solo Winston will struggle to take out a good Widowmaker, sometimes even dying if she gets a little lucky. You can turn around mid-jump to avoid getting headshot, but that hinders your own ability to perform. She can simply jump down and hook back up, or hook to another platform if need be.
At the same time, he’s still pretty good against her. You can pressure her off of her spot and deal a good chunk of damage to her before she uses her hook, at which point your team should be able to pick her off. It’s just not as easy as diving towards Widow to counter her, it’s a collaborative effort.
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A good winston knows when she doesnt have grapple
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Its not his leap that counters her, its his bubble shield that can stop her damage no matter what angle she is looking at him from. But yeah he is not like the complete end all counter to Widowmaker
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How well Winston can counter and crush widowmaker is really just depended on SR range and I’m not sure if that’s good or bad.
At lower SR ranges there is next to nothing Widowmaker can even do vs a motivated Winston. Around 3k or so Widows start to hit way more shots and that just keeps scaling up as one goes higher in SR. Til at some point there is pretty much nothing Winston can do or at least it’s not at a fast enough rate keep focus off his team.
I don’t really know what’s the fix for that is over all. I’ve always felt Widowmaker should be doing 90% DMG max to 200 health heroes. The whole team work for a kill vibe. I doubt that sort of change is going to happen.
So we just are sort of stuck here.
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atm the best tank counter to widow is hammond.
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Forcing her to move from her perch is the beginning of a counter. From there if you can get at the Widow, then Winston deals with her exceptionally because her chances of taking him down are slim once Winston gets in range.
You dont have to win every single fight every single time to be a counter lol
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Winston is a great counter to widow. He doesn’t have to kill her to make her ineffective. Simply denying her high ground can be enough to render her useless to her team.
Widow uses high ground angles to be effective. Drop her to the low ground and you can just sit up there and deny it to her whilst waiting for leap to cool down, then drop down and finish her off. If she grapples you just chase her and kill her.
If she grapples to her team then it’s still a win for Winston most of the time.
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You shouldn’t need to be a good Winston to counter Widow any more than you need to be a good Bastion to counter Winston…
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And why is that exactly? The two scenarios are waaay different
There is nothing even remotely hard about diving a widow with Winston. The only thing that may be considered high level is to face backwards whilst leaping in to avoid headshots.
The counter is, leap on her, drop shield and start frying her. She grapples away, you keep track of her and stay alive until you can leap at her again. But she will probably have support so you usually cant kill her you just have to keep disrupting her and doing as much splash damage as possible in the meantime. But it all depends on team composition/teamplay/skill
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Widows only real counter play is another widow or running GOATS. It’s hilarious how busted this character is n people sit here and try to justify how broken she is just because she’s hard to play, character difficulty isnt an excuse to be busted, like when your only consistent counter play is a mirror match or a whole specific team comp you’re broken. Widow needs HARD nerfs, we can start by not allowing her to 1 shot anymore, 1 shots are to good in this game the value of picks is to high in OW. Especially for a character like widow who can safely pick off anyone she wants from 10000000 miles away without any sort of risk.
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They defend her because they don’t know how much other heroes suck by contrast, despite the fact they knowingly don’t play other heroes because of how good she is by contrast…
I’d prefer she be set at 150HP, that way she has to suck less at camping and can be consistently countered by dive instead of team comps. She’s the only high-impact hero with no legitimate hard counter.
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The mere fact that you force her to disengage from the fight is the definition of a counter.
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Not even worth countering because you can’t escape without the other five enemies gaining 20% off your corpse. The cure is worse than the disease. The fact I need help as Winston only proves that she isn’t balanced.
So you’re mad because you need teammates in a team game?
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Widow doesn’t need teammates… You only see her grappling to them when she’s in trouble and needs the free bailout. Think I need teammates when I go Reaper against Winston? No. That’s not how countering works.
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Do you seriously expect to be able to charge in and 1v6 someone with cooldowns up in a balanced environment?
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Id suggest watching some replays from the widow pov. Its really valuable to take a widow off her perch even if you dont kill her, most of the time they just sit around being useless while grapples on cooldown and they wait for the giant monkey to get out of their spot.
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