Just going to leave this here. Genji eats winston for lunch right now.
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depends on the winstons ability to bubble dance, the genjis ability to land headshots (granted it isnt hard against le monke) and the genjis supports
but winston still overall counters him
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No, no he doesnât. Not even in the slightest.
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Yes, letâs double Winstonâs damage. That should fix it!
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you misinterpret âcounterâ as being âgets a kill on X hero in all situationsâ
countering is about denying value, winston 100% denies value from genji
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moira is a better counter. long range, doesnt help genji farm ult, can delete him with her ult really fast, easier to play, other heroes around genji dont destroy her as they can destroy monkey (hitscans,reaper,hog,etc)
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I have legit seen genjis dive into a winston and walk away victorious
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then the winston either didnt have bubble or didnt use it effectively at all
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As long as Genji is able to get ult charge without dying he pretty much wins the battle. Winston gaining ult charge doesnât really matter all that much.
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Thereâs a few matchups that Genji used to regularly lose that are now in his favor. This is one of them. Genji wonât win every time, but his odds are much improved.
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Winston does not do this at all. Not anymore.
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winston soft counters genji as always. if you are getting farmed by genji as winston idk what to say to you other than to stop being a feeder.
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Winston alone might not hard counter
Moira alone might not hard counter
Zarya alone might not hard counter
Mix and match one or two of them though and youâre making things difficult for Genji.
It isnât about picking something and then having absolute dominion over their counter part, itâs about picking up pieces of a solution and putting them together with your own ability and your teamâs ability to put a halt to whatever issues you are addressing.
More often than not, most people in most ranks excluding GM, which is a small pool, fail to track, focus and work together to stop something like Blade/Nano Blade.
Most people flail and run about.
So there are multiple problems players need to address in order to fix the multiple versions of raising and lowering (but relevant) severity they are facing.
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Except it isnât feeding when Genji can kill you in 4 right clicks. Genji is the new reaper, and reaper already hard counters winston.
Oh I see. So it is okay for DPS to need half or a whole team to counter their one hero but not anyone else? Interesting logic.
Genji literally has dominion over the entire game but okay.
Iâd agree if the game was anywhere close to being remotely balanced in that aspect. It isnât. 
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Winston does not counter better Genjis.
It is still possible to punish bad Genjis as Winston.
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I can punish bad Genjis on Zenyatta. This isnât an argument.
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??? you are aware that the damage changes barely changed this at all right? the only way you will get 4 shot as winston is if your movement is horrendous and you have no bubble, in which case you are feeding. genjiâs damage output doesnât come close to rivaling reaper so quit your nonsense.
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I think itâs traditionally been that way for a long time, mostly. This doesnât really seem much different than it has been for a while, to me.
Widow, Mei, Reaper, Pharah, Mcree to a degree, Ashe, BastionâŚ
The idea of a composition is just this. Plus, you can revolve the rest of your build while taking other threats/weaknesses into consideration. It makes sense to me.
I donât know about that. I think he obviously has an increased presence and prowess, I wonât deny that, but I also am undecided that he is that potent. I think that in comparison to some others and the recency of the changes explains some of it. Iâm not denying he might be a bit too strong but I donât think he has dominion over the entire game or is an monster that canât be defeated.
Iâm not M or GM, but I have traveled a few ranks now. It might not be perfectly or even âwellâ balanced but it isnât bad either. I think people blow the whole balance thing out of proportion but thatâs just my opinion. I also take what I get and I enjoy the game and the climb, and I have not been stunted by any one characters balance, buffs or nerfs. I donât think it works that way in aid of my advancement either but again thatâs from just my perspective.
I think thereâs a lot of hyperbole and misconception about what Overwatch is and how itâs perceived because of these forums.
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He went from 28 a shuriken to 30 damage a shuriken. That is 90 damage a right click versus 84. The headshot damage is 180 versus 160. The spread was tightened on his right click too.
Yeah, those damage numbers totally donât mean anything! 
Cause Genji canât also dance around your bubble too right? It isnât hard to land full right clicks on winston even if he is bubble dancing. If it was âhardâ to kill winston cause of this, reaper wouldnât just win fights against him.
This just isnât true. Majority of the DPS cast does not require you to switch an entire team to counter them. The only two that do are Genji and Widow.
Except when the threat has no weakness. But lets ignore that part.
You have a weird concept of sense.
His pickrate is so high he is in every game, and if you donât got a genji you are losing. As a DPS he has a 8.86% pick rate. You realize how crazy that is right?
Sounds like denial to me.
It really is that bad. You have to play X tanks at a certain point in rank or you donât rank. You have to play X healers at a certain point in ranked or you donât rank. You have to have a genji on your team right now or you lose. That is the epitome of bad balance.
Thatâs nice. Statistics greatly support the forums uprising against genji and not your care free attitude towards him.
I wish I too, could ignore facts and live obliviously by calling people hyperbolic about something that is factual.
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doesnt even worth trying to kill him as winston. in these 2,5secs until you kill him, he will farm 50% of his blade and the next fight he will blade you and your friends.