Will they ever clean up this mess?

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@CivilityMan-1256

@Goodgame-11119

Oh so you mean playing against a master widow player who can pop your head from across the map will make me a better player?

Yes. You will learn how to use cover and concealment and the difference between the two, unless you just switch your brain off.

I can make an argument for both sides of this. Playing against players of your own skill requires that you continuously dig deeper into your own untapped potential to win the game.

However… There are certain scenarios where the level to which you must dig is not available to you because you haven’t learned from the previous short-comings or you don’t learn fast enough to react to the (smurf) better player.

At some point though, it becomes less and less impressive to see smurfs playing (when you hit say mid-diamond) because at that point, their individual contribution (while still very powerful) can be counteracted because of consistent teamwork.

@NowWhat-11234

But I find it ruins the game when a couple of teammates refuse to play as a team because they are standing far away from any purposeful action and saying “hello” to the other team the entire game to stay low rank.

Welcome to the wonderful world of smurfs, throwers and trolls. Pretty much everyone (especially who plays Overwatch and Valorant) are a bunch of snowflake, cry babies, with the softest of ego’s.

Everyone wants to feel empowered in some way or another and the ability to make you flustered because they’re throwing, makes them ever so happy. Its hard to get passed until like 3000 SR but thats kinda just how it is, unfortunately.

@NowWhat-11234

Teamwork and team strategy help a person improve

Ehhh… Not exactly. They help a person win competitive games, but on an individual level, self-study and learning help a person improve.

Whether thats spending time in an aim trainer until you miss 0/100 shots, or re-watching your replays to completely understand your positioning errors… THAT is improvement.

@NowWhat-11234

Teamwork is real fun and enjoyment.

1,000,000% Agree!! A lot of GM players will talk a lot of smack about Diamond and Masters players (which is fine) but my experience (the EXACT second) I crossed into Diamond, teamwork, sportsmanship, communications, strategy, all increased 100 fold!!

Sure… There are some outliers here and there but far less compared to Gold or, OMFG Plat.

@NowWhat-11234

Throwers remove the joy of working as a team.

1,000,000% Agree!

@NowWhat-11234

If you don’t want to play a team game

I mean… Throwers aren’t throwing because they don’t want to play a team game. They’re throwing to get a rise out of someone, or to keep an account low. The End…

People in Overwatch who don’t want to work as a team are honestly “just bad” players.

Disclaimer: When high level players say “focus on your own gameplay,” they don’t mean play your own game and do your own thing, they mean focus on doing your job for your team.

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@NinjaBoii-11577

decide not to even try is more prevalent in the lower ranks

Yeah… Low elo players are really frustrating to deal with. They think they know everything even though they’re plat bordered in Silver

I have yet to met a silver player with more game sense than a platinum player.

@NinjaBoii-11577

“if you need a group in order to climb out of the lower ranks, then there is a massive flaw in the fundamental development of the game?”

You’re putting blame of a community issue on an inanimate object. The reason you need a group to climb in lower ranks is because you limit the potential for people to get frustrated and blame each other.

And more importantly, having everyone communicating, ESPECIALLY in Overwatch is actually imperative for success. Granted people will say this is untrue but thats because they’re generally not from your elo.

@NinjaBoii-11577

You cannot necessarily blame all the time when the odds are against the said player.

Sure I can… Overwatch is a very complicated game!! There are a lot of moving pieces between roles and heroes and the information alone is more than YOU could learn in a week of straight coaching.

@NinjaBoii-11577

Now of course, some people aren’t simply used to the functionality of the game mechanics

I would say pretty much everyone in lower ranks (even in platinum) really just don’t have any idea what they’re talking about.

@NinjaBoii-11577

I would think that many people belong in their respective ranks

Well, you’d be thinking correct here at least…

@NinjaBoii-11577

nobody can deny that within these lower ranks, the chances of leavers/uncooperative players/smurfs increases immensely.

Sure… But without an open profile, are you certain YOU can determine a legitimately good player (smurf), as opposed to someone who’s literally just having a good placement game on a fresh account (as they try to escape elo hell)?

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@McCringe-1673

I disagree.

I disagree that you disagree…

@McCringe-1673

That is what smurfs do.

Mmm… No… Not always… A lot of smurfs are just messing around and just having fun getting gold damage, gold elims, gold objective kills, and purely dominating the enemy team.

What allows them to do this is their:

1. Mechanics

This is because I have the consistency (hours aim training, in-game practice) that allow me to make those basic shots with ease.

2. Game knowledge.
   My timing (game sense) allowing me to recognize an open area where the enemy team is incapable of contesting me

I can go into Silver/Gold/Plat games and just take excessively aggressive positions as Ashe/Hanzo/Widow/Cree and I’ll get 2 or 3 picks before the enemy team will even realize I’m there.

@McCringe-1673

If you know the enemy widow can’t hit any shots then you shouldn’t respect her like she is Carpe and hide behind a wall the whole time

This is just bad advice. Or perhaps very poorly worded… A gambler is like the fisherman in that they both have beginners luck.

I tell everyone to make a concerted effort to always practice great positioning. Abusing the enemy widow’s bad mechanics will set you up to develop horrible habits.

10/10 would not recommend this advice unless your intent is to keep people in low elo for yourself…

@McCringe-1673

Make your opponents earn your respect instead of giving it to them for free.

Mmmm… I see the point and collusion between this sentence and the last one, but I just don’t think that’s the correct way to help players develop. You can coach how you see fit though…

[NinjaBoii-11577]

I agree, I think an unintended consequence to the game development was the issue seen within the lower ranks emphasized by the players inability to develop accountability and unwillingness to learn. When players make that leap and start taking accountability, then they’ll start to see improvement.