Given that they do go through with nerfing Hog’s one-shot hook, it’s my guess that they won’t stop there.
OW2 is a game with less barriers. Less barriers leads to more one-shots. More one-shots lead to more people whining to get heroes with one-shots dumpstered. This is on the verge of happening with Roadhog and if they kept true to their word, it has already happened.
And keep in mind, Hog’s hook-combo was a weaksauce one-shot, it was on an 8 second cooldown and had a maximum of 20 meters range. His hook is also pretty predictable, and heavily counterable
Compare that with Widowmaker, who can one-shot from pratically anywhere with a cooldown of 0.9 seconds per shot. Her shots are not predictable at all, and not counterable either.
Hog’s easy to blame for his one-shot because his kit is nontraditional in terms of FPS games, whereas Widowmaker’s kit is traditional. But I have a feeling that this won’t stop Widowmaker from getting her identity taken away, like how Roadhog’s identity is going to be taken away.
In a few months, we might be having the Widowmaker discussion or the Hanzo discussion. As we’ve had the Hog discussion.
(Fyi I don’t want Widow’s one-shot nerfed)
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I agree with everything but you can’t really change widow’s playstyle. As a sniper, thats what she does. And more than 1 shot to kill would just be kinda lame for a sniper.
IMO she should never have been hitscan in the first place.
The best you’ll get is her HP back to 175 like before.
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We’ll see how things go with widow and hanzo for this one. its definitely going to be discussed but I’m doubtful it’ll be changed.
To balance Widow she needs to be forced to shoot the rifle with her feet while doing a hand stand…that should do it.
Or some kind of breathing mechanic.
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I’d like to see a minor nerf to Widow (like putting her back at 175 hp) simply because she’s in 80% of my games these days. I’m not a Widow hater, but she warps the game around her and it’s not necessarily my favorite way to play the game.
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I don’t think sniper will ever be touched and that Rod changes are the beginning of a different trend.
The problem with Hog one-shot is not the fact that one-shot exist, but that he is tank that has one-shot power. Not only it is a paradox concept that should had been absurd since OW1, but now in OW2 with one less player in the team a tank with a pick potential so high is just unfair.
Also the skill required to perform an hook kill with road is pretty low compared on how much you need to head shot someone.
The hook has the hitbox of a track and it does not need to be predictive even if it has a short travel time, this is the only travel time projectile that works this way in the game. Then shot in the head + melee after the hook is something that with a little practice can be performed extremely consistently
A 700 HP thing with sustain, damage reduction, great low range damages that also has a death radius of 20 meters on an 8 seconds CD. 20 meters! I mean 20 meters is the starting point of fall off damages of most DPS! Not fair, not fun.
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Her lore of why she is blue is cos of her heart rate that talon did experiments on. That makes her the perfect sniper.
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This has to stop (not hog main any means, or widow, in fact pharah is one of my mains so I would benefit from her nerfs).
After hog, it’ll be orisa, then who will contest doomfist? Well lets nerf him yet again.
Widow, then hanzo probably next. The people will walk in straight lines right into junkrat and say “holup this guy can combo me” and cry about that.
You can’t have it both ways, variety with no variety. You cant log into overwatch and expect that everything will go your way, but also want to have cool things and various abilities.
I get it, overwatch has a steep learning curve, but one of the most satisfying things about it is the outplay potential. Yeah let’s just kill that, why not. Lets remove all dangers and hold hands on point.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh. I thought she was a smurf.
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I find the whole but she’s a sniper she HAS to one shot!! argument so boring and nonsensical
Anyone ever play paladins? It has its issues- sure. But basically no hero has a one shot there outside of some specific ultimates.
Including the snipers
And they’re anything but weak in that game.
Snipers don’t HAVE to one shot to be effective.
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I think that’d mess up the game. Not sure why they’re nerfing Hog’s kill combo. They really should be nerfing his healing. I play support and only good Widows really do anything. People should really use cover more.
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Yeah its just thats her whole thing.
I hate 1 shots more than anything else in this game. It sucks, it’s not fun.
But you know blizz will think how im thinking. She’ll keep her 1 shot. It’s just about adding disadvantages to her outragous power.
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I wonder if there would be some way to make her a very very fast projectile. The fastest in in the game, maybe, but still a projectile. That would make it so instead of drop off, she’d be semi-decent still in closer ranges, but much more likely to miss in really far distances. Can help add more skill than “Lull, click heads!” for a hitscan sniper.
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It is. It just doesn’t need to be. I agree entirely that blizzard will more than likely keep it- I just don’t agree that she has to have it “because it’d her identity”. I feel her “identity”, as has been the case with many heroes, should’ve updated with OW2
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Use a dive character to bully Widow, simple as that. A non-effective sniper is one that is constantly pressured or chased.
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Widow is not OP, and she doesn’t need a nerf. She’s not even S tier.
However the only good counter to Widow is Widow, and that can be annoying. What OW needs is to make heroes that can counter Widow effectively. Look at ball, he is the ultimate counter to Widow.
Ball needs to be buffed and become relevant again to help fight against Widow. We need new support and dps heroes that counter Widow. That is what needs to happen. Not nerfing Widow or reworking her.
Problem is it takes time to make it close enough to dive Widow and theres still the chance you could die in the pursuit. Widow also has her venom mine and an escape option with her grappling hook.
Yes you might be effectively pressuring her but that’s also less pressure on the other team. You still have to win the engagement and hope your team is pulling through a net positive.
Supports are always an issue as well.
This is where your wrong they arent gonna ask for nerfs their just gonna leave.
Ppl have had enough of the poor treatment do to blizz they have no idea how to maintain a game and most know if they changed widow theyd just F it up anyways.
Most of us are past that and just arent playing anymore theres no point. The hog nerf isnt even needed hes op cause he was built from the ground up to be in 6v6 not 5v5 just like widow.