Down to 1.63% pickrate 46.71% win rate and 2.49 KDA thanks blizzard for taking skillful heroes and gutting them
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Good. The only way to counter a widow was another widow on many maps. She was the most risk free DPS heroes in OW2. The game is in a better place now that widow players are forced to pick heroes that take more skill than just mechanics.
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it just means that not everyone can win on skillfull heroes
im pretty sure all the replies will be good and she deserved it. also with saying she should be deleted from the game
widow was never a popular one. it does suck being a widow main but maybe i rather them rework both hanzo and widow to be something else besides one-shot heroes. rework widow to be a powerful melee assassin with a sword (genji 2.0) and hanzo to be spamzo 76 with a bow and arrow (real spamzo w/o the one-shot)
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People who have this on genuine level are people in GM2 ⌠top-500. Thatâs less than 0.1% of all players. They also very rarely post here because theyâre busy maintaining their rank and skill. People who are complaining about the need of Widow to counter the Widow are usually those who donât know how to counter-pick and insist on one-tricking.
For another time: if youâre in diamond or below, Widow is not a pick that will carry you because enemy can counter-pick and stop you with much less effort that itâs required for you to be effective. Thatâs key here. Counter-pick does not mean âit must absolutely always destroy in every situationâ. It means âit is more effective for less effortâ. Sure - youâll get a cheeky pick here and there ⌠for every 10 you donât and the teamfight is 4v5 because diamond Widow canât hit it or enemies just counter her.
Should we just discard the experience of those 0.1%? Good question, but destroying a hero because whiners canât deal with her was a mistake. Well, she wasnât the only hero to be ruined because of whiners getting more and more ground. And finally, stats-wise, if you donât consider the very upper tiers of players, she was never OP. She was always a niche, underperforming pick. Check her OB stats in previous seasons in diamond or below. Big surprise and a completely different story from what whiners would lead yo to believe.
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Exactly. Thatâs the problem. A character being busted at low levels isnât a problem. Skill issue, get good, etc.
At higher levels, itâs NOT a get good. Itâs ridiculously broken. And to keep high level play fair, it must be nerfed.
No one ever said Widow was easy. But she is OBJECTIVELY overpowered and needs more nerfs.
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Blizzard Balance philosophy sadly
Youâre either op or garbage and if youâre not youâre about to be one or the other
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What constitutes objectivity? Because the stats disagree. Stats arenât opinions, they are just numbers. And she was and is bad in both pick-rate and win-rate.
P.S. I personally do not consider someone typing that âsomething is objectively Xâ as an objective argument for X, not matter the font size or type chosen for the word âobjectivelyâ in their statement. Sorry, not sorry.
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Iâm masters, widow has absolutely been one of the easier DPS heroes for a long time now. All you need is aim. You donât need real skill (strategy, teamwork, tactics, etc.) Widow players now need to build real skill in the game.
And yes, you balance to top tier ladder play. Thatâs the only way to accurately actually balance a game.
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How about the word of EVERY SINGLE GM? Thereâs a reason Widow is complained about so much. No GM that isnât a Widow main doesnât hate Widow. That trickles down and makes everyone else complain too.
Widow runs the game at higher levels. Thatâs objective because nothing can contest her. She plays too far away. She needs more nerfs so you can actually kill her without another sniper.
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Okay, letâs pull them stats. Masters WM⌠what do we see?
- W/R: 46.66% S5, 46.35% S4, 52.96% S3
- Pick/R: 2.52% S5, 4.50% S4, 1.28% S3
So yeah, seems like âomg above 50% in S3â ⌠but with triple/quadruple less pick-rate. Continuing,
- KDA: 2.35 S5, 2.30 S4, 2.88 S3
- Accuracy: 45% S5, 44% S4, 46% S3
Knowing that anything above 45% is considered âdecentâ for WM, yeah - those Master players can hit their shots so they âhave aimâ. Yet the hero stats are poor.
Letâs take McCowboy as a reference. Go there and check. Heâs better than WM in every almost every stat. Or for better comparison - Hanzo. That one also leaves WM in the dust.
Idk, I donât even play WM. But stats tell a completely different story from all the whiners on the forums. The only legitimate issues Iâve seen are from really high-level players. But again, there are 0.1% of them and 99.9% of the rest.
Where did you see that? Is there a petition? Does Blizzard force everyone to sign it whenever they hit GM? Sorry, youâre spouting nonsense here. Even if every GM that posted on these forums was against WM, that would still be a single-digit percentage of them. And also, even if all GM players were against it - that just was opening a question, which tier should they balance around.
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Let me guess, youâre trying to quote OverBuff stats? Stats are meaningless here. Actually read what I said.
The only way to counter widow is another widow. On many maps, she required multiple leaps by winston (for example), meaning diving is unrealistic. Sheâll get healed immediately, meaning even if you can get close as Sombra, you rarely secure a kill. Her presence alone controlled the entire map, and made the game come to a standstill until your widow won the duel.
She was a poorly designed hero, for the type of game OW2 is (tactical, objective based team game). Either add counters (smokes, a second tank, etc.) or nerf widow. Thereâs a reason nearly every top ranked player hates widows. Even half of the GM DPS players who can play widow hate playing her (they just switch to widow because they HAVE TO when the other team goes widow).
Any hero that forces a mirror comp at top level ladder play is poorly designed. The game is in a better spot now.
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Oh no, of course they are meaningless. How could we let stats of all things into such âargumentsâ and âdebatesâ? Stats absolutely destroy all these nonsense posts, they are OP! They need to be nerfed or banned from such discussions so that we can whine in peace! Jeez. So yeah, you lost me there when you refuse to even consider stats. Good day.
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Stats âdestroyâ these posts? I never once quoted stats. Iâm talking about Widowâs impact to the game. She makes OW miserable at high ELOs. Respond to what I actually said, if youâre able.
Any hero that forces a mirror comp at high elos is poorly designed. I look forward to you ignoring this statement again 
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Ask any GM that isnât a Widow main. Iâm serious. Ask literally anyone.
Always the top. Otherwise the game isnât balanced at all.
Mirror matchups donât count towards stats. And every high level Widow game on a sniper map is mirrored. Therefore, your stats mean absolutely nothing. You probably didnât know this, so I wonât hold it against you, but at high level play the only time itâs not a mirror matchups is if itâs not a Widow map. And if itâs not a Widow map, sheâs easily countered by dive heroes. Widow will always have a low pickrate and winrate because of how she works. You could buff her into one shotting with body shots with a Sigma rock size bullet and that winrate wouldnât go up because it would still be all mirror matchups.
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Anyone who cries widow is the only counter to widow has zero clue about how the game works lol
Ashe hanzo mccree genji soj 76 sombra tracer doom jq monke
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Idk about others, but I donât think Iâve been headshot from a widow and lived yet. Most maps donât even have proper sight lines past the 53m to kill.
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Itâs not frustrating to die to a widow though its on you not crouching / navigating with los / not running in straight lines.
You die to a hanzo instantly itâs extremely angering. Not dying to skillful aim.
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I would certainly rather play against a hanzo than a widow, as he doesnt lock down a map nearly as well as her, as he isnt great at long range.
But my point was that I havent noticed the widow nerf really at all yet.
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How low iq must you be to say soldier 76, what rank are you?
Also with one pocket widow is unstoppable
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