Thanks, man!
Bro, I’m a legacy user here… Ask McMercee. We’ve hated eachother far before whoever tf this other guy is.
Likely before you were ever here. I just love to see the skill argument crumble.
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Quite a few people on here know all of my alts. He is not one of them.
Cope harder tbh
I mean genji has favor the shooter and latency priority on his reflect. Thus even if you are late you’ll still reflect. Dunno if it is possible still but before the genji and widow could literally end up dying coz the server just could not accept the grace period for reflect to such big extent. It straight up allowed genji to reflect and die at the same time. Literally happened to me once on widow. Thou I believe they just increased the grace period now. So anyways in short you’ll always have an extra 0.1-0.2 ms to react and be fine as genji. On widows screen you’ll literally be hs(blood splatter, no mark)only to magically a frame later reflect the bullet and be completely fine(it happens very fast, but it happens).
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I understand why it’s in the game, but favor the shooter sucks to face. It’s why the second hitbox on Tracer gets me killed so much
Okay congrats you’re a gm. That’s where good widows get to play. But we’re not gonna dumpster a character for 99% of players so that you can be better against widow on 4 maps.
And you revert to this once I prove my point.
This game is balanced from the top down. I don’t really care if you walking skill issues don’t have a problem with her. Good players do, so she needs to go.
Reinhardt changes the game’s dynamic by forcing you to contend with his shield. And Winston changes the dyamic by forcing you to pay more attention to your divable targets. Widow isn’t the only one that changes things.
She needs to go but she doesn’t dominate unless she gets the maps she is favored on. So she is a map dependent hero. Changing her would be viable for all maps unless you want her to be unviable on all maps. 4/28 maps she is good on means she’s only good 14% of the time. You need a hero who is only favored 14% of the time to be taken down a peg. How many maps favor heroes like tracer? Or how many maps favor Ana or kiriko? how many maps favor rein?
I saw a bit of the post before you deleted it. You said Rein and Winston don’t require you to fight through their team to deal with them, but I’d counter argue and say you have to fight through all of THEIR TANK HEALTH AND ABILITIES to deal with them. And yeah, choosing them will change the entire flow of the match.
Same for the supports, too. Mercy rez and bap IF will change your plans entirely. The most annoying thing about Widow is instantly dying, but to act like she’s the only one that changes the flow of the game is silly.
This is hero is now super map dependent.
Because her ult and her kit are moot in ma.y scenarios where the pace of 5v5 isn’t going to help your front line if you secure a kill even though your team has lost a tank.
And real talk, if Widow was as formidable as your post claims then wouldn’t have be crying about Supports being so godly.
Especially the Moira whiners
Widow’s a mid DPS that has S tier potential on sniper friendly maps.
But that S tier can go to swap tier her enemy has a superior counter pick
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I’ve said over and over to rework her.
None of those heroes run the game.
I misread what you were saying and responded based on that, that’s my bad. Widow isn’t the only character who changes the gameplay loop and I didn’t mean to imply she was.
That said, imo there are healthy changes to the gameplay loop, where there’s reasonable counterplay. And unhealthy changes to the gameplay loop where there really isn’t.
Rein/Winston generally get fewer complaints than really any other tank because they’re seen as “fair” or “honest”. Outside of the mega tank buff patch, they have a very defined set of strengths and weaknesses that can be reasonably played around by people of most skill levels. Widow… doesn’t really fall into that bucket imo. She requires specific counters and as soon as it’s confirmed there’s a Widow, the entire match revolves around where Widow is and what she’s looking at.
It isn’t a coincidence that the most hated characters in the game are the ones that warp the game around them and either have very specific counters or are significantly easier to get value with than to contest. See: Ball, Mauga, Hog, Orisa, Both OW1 and OW2 Doom, Widow, Sombra, Pharah and arguably Ana and Mercy.
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Yep. this is why good widows will usually shoot to NOT kill the genji just to bait out deflect lol
if she’s really that much of a problem can’t you just go sombra and delete her?
She’s not that good in any situation except in bronze, where she is so busted that it’s not even fair
Also one shots are horrible unless you have to get super close like reaper or hog. Widow can just delete you from a mile away it’s not fun.
And she’s easy too.
I’m totally in favor of decreasing power of the sniper and buffing the rest of her kit to increase survivability against dive. Same for Hanzo, he should have gotten some small compensation buffs for losing one shot.
At T500 there’s usually a support or she’s playing inside her team and that’s basically not possible to dive.
I don’t even want them to outright remove her one shot just nerf her falloff so she isn’t so oppressive on those stupidly long sightlines maps
New Queen Street, Esperanca, Colloseo, Runasapi, Rialto, Havana, Circuit Royale, Paraiso, Busan drum, Ilios ruins, Samoa beach, Junkertown, Shambali Monastery, Blizzard world
then there’s the maps that have “shorter” sightlines but still have stretches of very hard to contest highgrounds and semi long sightlines like Gibraltar, Eichenwalde
always has been my friend. bad hero design for this type of game. gg EZ
Just play the other most hated dps hero to counter her and do nothing but make her (and your teams) life miserable… (Sombra)