Widowmaker is OP. Change my mind

A hero who can one shot you half way across the map and there is nothing you can do about it… What a joke lol. I’m not at all tilted and have given very much thought to this and others agree. Widowmaker is probably thee most over powered hero in the game in my opinion. Let’s go over the reasons why.
-Her hit box is extremely tiny and her skins are almost all dark which makes her very hard to see.
-When she is standing still and scoped in, she makes zero noise to give you any hint she is nearby. You could simply walk around a corner thinking its safe and before you can click a button, you’re dead.
-She’s an carry or throw hero. Let’s be honest, there is no in between widow. Your widow either hits her shots or she doesn’t. If you don’t hit head shots, go mccree for more utility or you’re just gonna be throwing. If you hit your head shots, then congrats, the enemy team can’t do anything about it.
-She has ZERO counters. I know what you’re thinking, Winston, D.va, Genji, or just dive in general. But a good widow knows when to retreat to her team and then you’re the one caught out of position. There is no direct counter to widowmaker except hoping you have a better widow on your team.
-No other hero is like her. Yes we have other one shot heroes, but they all have conditions that need to be met in order to one shot. Doomfist needs to no have cooldown, full charge punch, and hit a wall. Hanzo needs to pre load and predict the enemies movements.

Most people argue that you just need to be able to hit your shots, but no hero (besides another widowmaker) can kill a good widowmaker. A mccree would need to peak and hit two shots in order to kill her, widow only needs to hit one. I get it, shes a very skill demanding hero, but it’s the fact that you can get killed half way across the map, and just sit there like “What was I supposed to do against that?”. It’s just plain obnoxious that a widow can fire three shots and you lose the team fight. So many games, we got a pick and we are pushing in, and then (and even with her position called) we lose two people from across the map one shots.

I mean if you don’t believe me, just think in overwatch league, Widowmaker is one of the heroes who is almost always played every season.

What would I change about her? Make her so if she headshots you, it brings you down to 1 hp, this way you at least have a chance to escape or fight back.

EDIT: To all the people who are saying dive the widow, you obviously didn’t read carefully enough and don’t play against good widowmakers. If you dive widow, she will grapple to a place that will make you out of position or a place that her team can help her. Look at kepprii, Winston got headshot once diving him, she grappled away and there was a stand off. He jumped again and got headshot again and died. Sorry but dive does not work that simply.

“Just go dive”. Kephrii's Insane Flick on Winston "F*cking Test Me Dude" - Overwatch - YouTube

Plenty more videos just like this, just go watch overwatch league. Reason I linked this video is cause this is normally what happens. Tank dives widow, widow hits tank and grapples back, widow waits for team to support her or for tank to make a move again. If you don’t believe me, why is it that XQC uses his 180 Winston jump to avoid being headshot?

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Just dive her bro lol
Oops she grappled to the other side of the map and sniped your support

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Never got a problem to hit her. You just need to do some damage to her and she relocates.

But we’re talking about people with good aim.

Almost every hero counters Widow. Just hit her. Main tanks make her almost useless.

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I can just destroy this thread.

How to counter widow 101

Widow has the potential to one shot you.
She has only 1 mobility ability that is on a long 10 second cooldown

You can completely shutdown a widow if you run a dive comp

The most powerful dive comp is
DVa
Winston
Genji
Doomfist
Lucio
Moira

First
Locate the widowmaker. Always check high ground
Second
Get dva to dive her. She will then use her only escape, grapple. Then get your monkey to dive her. She will have no escape.

Repeat until you win the match

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Yeah Widow isn’t OP. Just build your entire your comps entirely around countering her.

just

fascinating.

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If shes really that much of a pain, you have dive meta to stop double sniper.

There a billions of threads that explain you why Widow is not OP, use the search-function. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Widowmaker is not op. Change my mind.

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Widow needs to fully charge her shots to headshot, if they nerfed how quickly her charge took she’d be a lot better. I believe it’s like, a literal second? Maybe two or three, but three feels too long. It goes up so fast it’s incredible.

As much as I don’t want widow to get nerfed (in my top 4 most played) she has got incredible powers and abilities.
I think she should be able to oneshot, that shouldn’t change. But the rate of her doing so should change.

Maybe shorten the distance or have falloff damage, and increase the time to charge her shots. Maybe make her use five bullets instead of three scoped in?

However, that being said, I don’t think she’s OP. If the player can play her well, then that’s on the player not the character. Her entire theme is “one shot, one kill” she’s literally supposed to be able to insta-kill squishy heroes.

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Evidence from her secret journal:
h ttps://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20761736248

I’d complain about Widowmaker if one shotting someone wasn’t the only way to kill anyone these days with all of the barriers and instant healing.

The game, in general, is unfun.

You play Soldier 76 and are shooting an Orisa or Reaper right in the face and it’s like they aren’t even taking damage. You break an Orisa barrier, she just instantly throws another one down. Get your target low? Zarya bubble. Manage to kill it? Mercy rez.

Game has gotten to the point that Supports would be better DPS heroes than most DPS heroes if they didn’t have ults.

Playing DPS is miserable, you have to shoot something for literal eons to kill it now unless you are playing sniper.

I really can’t in good conscience say that Widowmaker is really an issue right now. She’s probably the only thing that’s alright with the game.

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That’s why Widow is OP, and it does outline the balance issues within the game. Particularly with healing and unfair damage output distribution.

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SPEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD

BOOOOooOOooOooooOoOsT!

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Honestly, I think even D.Va can dive her twice. I mean if I’m not mistaken, D.Va’s booster has a much lower CD than Widow’s Grappling hook.
But sometimes one dive is enough because D.Va may knock her back enough so that Widowmaker won’t have an angle to grapple hook to somewhere else.

Whenever i’m D.va and I see a widow, I rush them when they’re sniped and use my boosters to kill them.

Like, I don’t target them but I just do it to stop them. It’s probably not the main counter or purpose but that’s what I do, and it works 9/10 times

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Can’t…

You, like a lot of other people, have been hit the head too many times by Widowmaker that a change in the mind would be too difficult.

So I’m just gonna let you be…

Laughing in hamster
Really though, people often forgets that you don’t necessarily need the kill to shut down the hero. If a Tracer can’t reliably keep harassing you because a Sombra or Brig are always there force her recall she isn’t getting value and should swap. Same happens when Widow has to spend all her time grappling and fleeing. Not to forget that WB’s hook, Winston’s jump and D.Va’s boosters all have faster cooldowns than Widow’s hook, so if you really want that kill you can just go after her before she can go away again.
Plus Rein, Zarya, D.Va, Winston, Genji, Tracer, Lúcio, Ana, Zen and others are also always played on OWL, some way more than Widow so… Nerf them too?

If Widow is so op why dont you climb top500 with her then??

Also Widow already is balanced. Just cause of someone is good with hero, doesnt make that hero op/should be nerfed.

Shes been in the game since launch for crying out loud… It would be a time that people like you on these forums put SOME effort to learn how to kill her/counter her instead of making silly bait threads like this one.

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A good Widow can hit shots and relocate. Sometimes those aren’t exclusive.

Good aim being rewarded perhaps too easily.

Umm, yeah let me send my tank to high ground that isn’t Winston or D.va or Hammond… Oh wait, mobility.

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Yeah.

Personally, I find it interesting. Widow is hated because she is a difficult hero to interact with for most heroes. But GOATS and bunker are also really difficult for a broad range of heroes to interact with as well.

It’s hard to believe that a game that was so loved for it’s skill counter style combat balance between moba and shooter style elements has devolved to this point where so many new heroes and design decisions have been made made with the intent of countering fun.

it’s like the game is at a mexican standoff with itself having it’s least fun heroes and compositions to interact with at the top of the meta.

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