The problem has been the same for ages but its keep getting worse.
Widowmaker is in EVERY single game thus far. Of course, the average Widowmaker does nothing, but asoon the Widowmaker has somewhat decent aim, they can single handedly carry the game without much problems. Its especially prominent when their team actually helps them.
“Just go and dive them” - Last few Widows were constantly in the same spot as their Supports. I dive in, get slept and one shot or the Widow just gets healed and grapples away.
Overwatch is a game where every death matters - a lot. There’s no space for a hero which can one shot you from across the map and punish you for trying to play the game or actually support your team. Overwatch just is a game with long open areas which don’t always offer cover to “Sneak around” and “just don’t peek”.
The average Widow still lands one shots semi consistently enough to be problem too. And thats bc for some totally unknown reason (totally not monetary reasons), Widow’s “bullet size” still hasnt gone back to pre-S9 size. Plus, just the mere threat of the one shot alone is enough to force one into playing different.
For example, I remember winning this game on Colosseo where I went Widow, and I landed a quite a few one shots at the beginning stages of the game. At first it appeared as if it was going to be a stomp bc we rolled the enemy all they way to their doorstep, but they held us off at last second. Then afterwards, my aim suddenly stopped working, and I was landing pretty much nothing with Widow and contributing squat. Except, the opponents were traumatized over getting deleted and were so afraid of the potential one shot, that they were being super careful, specially in that long sightline in the middle, so they were advancing slower than they otherwise would have. And because of that, they werent able to fully gain the advantage back, despite actually winning more fights on us. All because I was there in the back with Widow, just looking at them lmao.
i mean she is… the suit. its skin tight and of course the fandom
still i see your point, no one likes to be one-shotted. the fps archetype for as long as the fps genre has existed. maybe will become extinct one day. ah well
What I learned is that - yes, there are way more bad players than there are good ones. And all those players manage to pull off the same stunt: telling they’re bad without telling they’re bad. How? They all create threads complaining about Widowmaker.
They reduced Hanzo’s arrows to pre-S9 sizes (plus nerfed charge time and a myriad of nerfs over the life of OW2) because he got his oneshot back. Why does Widow, who was/is far easier to hit shots with, exluded from that change?
Hanzos dmg needed to be buffed, his hitbox got reverted and his charge rate got nerfed but then reverted as far as I remember and His dragons can finally destroy deployables.
Widow did not lost her oneshot but her range got reduced, then her range got extended to get the S8 range back but her hitbox got reduced to the smallest.
I am not against a complete Hitbox revert or a general S9 revert, but I hate this mentally “my hero got nerfed/ruined, so that other should also be ruined”
the thing is, the oneshot is far more integral to Widow then it is to Hanzo (not saying its unimportant (we saw what happend to him))
Widow and one shot kills have been in this game from day 1.
She is the best teacher of proper position this game has.
No matter how good you may think you are— If you are constantly being killed by snipers-- your positioning is consistantly incorrect. PERIOD.
Not to mention shes one of the squishiest heroes in the game… and has very little mobility… if you cant get to her and at least back her off… or kill her ever- its also a you problem.
Not trying to be tox… but thas the situation. Watch your game tapes… check your positioning. Its all there.
Im not sayin there arent great widows that can wreak havoc out there… cuz there are. But if its “every game” time consistant feeling… then its not the widows- its your positioning.
People gotta stop watchin as many streams of others and start watching their own. Fr. Huge difference.
Yeah when bad players like Karq talk about how good widows can take over matches. he’s just a bad player playing in bad mat- wait he’s not a bad player… in fact he’s one of the best players in the world, and many of the best players in the world also agree that widow is a problem and is dominating their games?
huh
so where is this idea that struggling against widow is a skill issue came from then?
KarQ, like most big streamers are masters and GM, which makes less of 5% of the playerbase. They play a different game to what most play. But most forum users are not in this top % but still repeat what those creators say without thinking about it if it even applies to them.
Strangely you can go watch most GM/Champion streamers and just about all of them are complaining about widow now. Especially since sombra got nerfed. At least with Sombra, who is also a cancer just like Widow, there was a good counter. Now Widows just hang around outside the main game area get picks.
There is no way to avoid going into her sightlines and her supposed counters take too many CD cycles to get to her then she just grapples away anyway.
But I guess by your argument, these GM/Champion players just don’t ahve the skills
You know ppl don’t complain about widow because of her win rate. They complain because of the way she ruins the fun in a game. Whether she wins or loses she will have made the game a lot worse than if she wasn’t in it.
Same with heroes like sombra. nothing to do with winning or losing, they suck the fun out of the game.
im using it as point that struggling against widow isn’t a skill issue or is because the players are just bad. People need to create vetter arguments then just, you just have skill issue if you’re struggling with (insert thing)
Both Widow and Sombra feel awful to play against for me. Even if I kill them more than they kill me and I win, it makes me not want to play. It’s so unfun.
Oh here we go. More “they ruin the fun” arguments. Meanwhile we’re gonna see another heros kit ruined and their fun will die away. And then I’ll hear the majority fun is more important meanwhile the 20,000,000 players who have all been cut out are sitting here saying what majority.
Better to one have one group of players have their fun ruined then everyone else’s fun. and this is assuming that the rework will make her unfun to play which there’s no reason to assume
This is the real reason Sombra was so important to keeping Widow in check. She was not the strongest flanker, that’s Tracer. Or the one with easiest access to high ground, that’s Genji. But she didn’t require any help from the maps to sneak up on Widowmaker.
The original issue with Overwatch is Widowmaker. Everything that successfully stood up to her ended up being frustrating to deal with (Sombra infinite stealth) or outright broken (GOATs) for everyone else.
